Hi Thomas/Marius, I'm curious to understand why you're not more thrilled by this :) We need the maximum tech marketing to spread the word about XWiki, and IMO we should publish to the maximum number of web sites that accept tech announcements. Don't you agree with this? Or are you +0 because it's more work? I agree that if we add, say 5-10 more web sites to update, it's going to be a lot of work for the RM since this is manual work mostly (even though I think Sergiu tried to automate it but I'm not sure about the result/state). So I think that the best would be that each active committer takes 1 or 2 web sites and becomes responsible for updating them when there's a release (the RM will just need to ping them and their name would be part of the Release Plan documentation). I've personally been doing it regularly for wikimatrix and it's no big deal. An alternative would be to have a MM (Marketing Manager ;)) in charge of updating all external sites… WDYT? Thanks -Vincent On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi devs,

When we release a new version we publish the announcement in several places (wikimatrix, freshmeat, wikipedia). I'd like to propose that we add DZone too.

For example I've just seen that GateIn 3.4 has been announced there: http://www.dzone.com/links/gatein_34_is_released.html

DZone is very well know and I think it would help spread the word even more about XWiki.

So here's my +1 to add DZone to the list of sites to update when we release.

Thanks -Vincent

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

Hi Thomas/Marius,

Like Thomas and Marius, I am +0 I'm curious to understand why you're not more thrilled by this :)

Do not even know DZone before your mail !

We need the maximum tech marketing to spread the word about XWiki, and IMO we should publish to the maximum number of web sites that accept tech announcements. Don't you agree with this?

Sure, but there is surely too much sites that allow this.

Or are you +0 because it's more work?

and yes, we all know this is an annoying job for the RM.

I agree that if we add, say 5-10 more web sites to update, it's going to be a lot of work for the RM since this is manual work mostly (even though I think Sergiu tried to automate it but I'm not sure about the result/state). So I think that the best would be that each active committer takes 1 or 2 web sites and becomes responsible for updating them when there's a release (the RM will just need to ping them and their name would be part of the Release Plan documentation). I've personally been doing it regularly for wikimatrix and it's no big deal.

An alternative would be to have a MM (Marketing Manager ;)) in charge of updating all external sites…

WDYT?

Apart for some well known major sites that we may do manually, I think the best would be to only announce on those site that could be automated easily, and only when we have a script for that.

Thanks -Vincent

On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:

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+0

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi devs,

When we release a new version we publish the announcement in several places (wikimatrix, freshmeat, wikipedia). I'd like to propose that we add DZone too.

For example I've just seen that GateIn 3.4 has been announced there: http://www.dzone.com/links/gatein_34_is_released.html

DZone is very well know and I think it would help spread the word even more about XWiki.

So here's my +1 to add DZone to the list of sites to update when we release.

Thanks -Vincent

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl@softec.lu> wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi Thomas/Marius,

Like Thomas and Marius, I am +0

I'm curious to understand why you're not more thrilled by this :)

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Do not even know DZone before your mail !

that's strange, it's one of the very famous and well known sites for news and especially developer news…

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We need the maximum tech marketing to spread the word about XWiki, and IMO we should publish to the maximum number of web sites that accept tech announcements. Don't you agree with this?

Sure, but there is surely too much sites that allow this.

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Or are you +0 because it's more work?

and yes, we all know this is an annoying job for the RM.

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I agree that if we add, say 5-10 more web sites to update, it's going to be a lot of work for the RM since this is manual work mostly (even though I think Sergiu tried to automate it but I'm not sure about the result/state). So I think that the best would be that each active committer takes 1 or 2 web sites and becomes responsible for updating them when there's a release (the RM will just need to ping them and their name would be part of the Release Plan documentation). I've personally been doing it regularly for wikimatrix and it's no big deal.

An alternative would be to have a MM (Marketing Manager ;)) in charge of updating all external sites…

WDYT?

Apart for some well known major sites that we may do manually, I think the best would be to only announce on those site that could be automated easily, and only when we have a script for that.

I don't agree with this because our goal is not publish at unknown web sites but to focus on the well known sites even if we have to do it manually. This has may more impact than automating the publication on web sites that nobody uses ;)

Where have I proposed to publish so widely ? I was talking about your proposal and potential similar proposal from other devs.

Of course if they are both well known and automatable it's a big win :) but I don't think we should rule out some known web sites because we can't automate them.

Maybe we should start by brainstorming about web sites where we could announce on here.

I am afraid you will be starting a very long, interminable thread ! You cannot compare DZone and Wikipedia IMO. The second is really well-known, without anyone to say the contrary. On the other hand, DZone is debatable, and it will be difficult to get a final decision for it, simply +0 as it happen here. This is why I propose the automation for the more debatable sites.

I'll start a thread for that.

Thanks -Vincent

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Thanks -Vincent

On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com

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wrote:

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+0

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi devs,

When we release a new version we publish the announcement in several places (wikimatrix, freshmeat, wikipedia). I'd like to propose that we add DZone too.

For example I've just seen that GateIn 3.4 has been announced there: http://www.dzone.com/links/gatein_34_is_released.html

DZone is very well know and I think it would help spread the word even more about XWiki.

So here's my +1 to add DZone to the list of sites to update when we release.

Thanks -Vincent

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-0... On 09/13/2012 03:06 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:

Hi Thomas/Marius,

I'm curious to understand why you're not more thrilled by this :)

The other sites where we publish release announcements are better suited for such announcements: - WikiMatrix is exactly about wikis, and we're just keeping up to date the information - FreeCode (formerly FreshMeat) is specifically about new software release announcements - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we're just keeping up to date the latest release information - OW2 is our parent organization, and we're supposed to post release announcements in there DZone is mainly a link sharing site, links to interesting content. FreeCode is designed especially for release announcements, so we should stick to that. It would be good for general advertisement of XWiki, though.

We need the maximum tech marketing to spread the word about XWiki, and IMO we should publish to the maximum number of web sites that accept tech announcements. Don't you agree with this?

I agree, but this site isn't quite about tech announcements. We could say that release notes are "interesting links to share".

Or are you +0 because it's more work?

I agree that if we add, say 5-10 more web sites to update, it's going to be a lot of work for the RM since this is manual work mostly (even though I think Sergiu tried to automate it but I'm not sure about the result/state). So I think that the best would be that each active committer takes 1 or 2 web sites and becomes responsible for updating them when there's a release (the RM will just need to ping them and their name would be part of the Release Plan documentation). I've personally been doing it regularly for wikimatrix and it's no big deal.

Well, as long as it's HTTP, anything can be automated, it just takes some time to write the right script for that.

An alternative would be to have a MM (Marketing Manager ;)) in charge of updating all external sites…

I don't like this idea that much. Who's going to do that?

WDYT?

Thanks -Vincent

On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:

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+0

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

...

Hi devs,

When we release a new version we publish the announcement in several places (wikimatrix, freshmeat, wikipedia). I'd like to propose that we add DZone too.

For example I've just seen that GateIn 3.4 has been announced there: http://www.dzone.com/links/gatein_34_is_released.html

DZone is very well know and I think it would help spread the word even more about XWiki.

So here's my +1 to add DZone to the list of sites to update when we release.

Thanks -Vincent

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