Thanks Vincent. I just want to quote Marius about the fact it's a pain to click on some menus to see the state of the watchlist: Watching a page is not like the rest of the actions. It has a **state**.

The other actions (edit, add, administer, copy, rename, delete, export, share etc.) don't have a state. It's the difference between a toggle button and a standard button. The toggle button needs to show you the current state. The user needs to know if the current page is being watched. At first you scan the page for visual clues. There's none. You eventually click on the More Actions menu and see the "Watch..." entry. [...]

Note: the jira issue is http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12485. 2015-10-13 17:44 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net>:

Hi,

Thanks Guillaume.

I really don’t like either 1 or 2 because they take more vertical space (for 1) and they make the UI too crowded.

I also don’t think we should have any action button directly in the UI to watch/unwatch. This should be an action in the menus as any other action. OTOH we should have notification icons in the top bar so signify if a page is being watched for example.

Thanks -Vincent On 13 Oct 2015 at 17:39:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com) wrote:

Hi.

The other thread about the content menus re-organization has deviated to talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion on this new thread.

I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

WDYT?

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On 13 Oct 2015 at 17:51:15, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:

On 13 Oct 2015 at 17:49:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:

...

Thanks Vincent.

I just want to quote Marius about the fact it's a pain to click on some menus to see the state of the watchlist:

Watching a page is not like the rest of the actions. It has a **state**.

...

The other actions (edit, add, administer, copy, rename, delete, export, share etc.) don't have a state. It's the difference between a toggle button and a standard button. The toggle button needs to show you the current state. The user needs to know if the current page is being watched. At first you scan the page for visual clues. There's none. You eventually click on the More Actions menu and see the "Watch..." entry. […]

As I said I’m not against notification icons. I even think we need them (I can think of Warning icons of admins when the rendering of a page contains errors for example too).

s/of admins/for admins/ Thanks -Vincent

But I definitely don’t agree about crowding the UI to add specific watch/unwatch action buttons. They should go in the menu actions.

Thanks -Vincent

...

Note: the jira issue is http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12485.

2015-10-13 17:44 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net :

...

Hi,

Thanks Guillaume.

I really don’t like either 1 or 2 because they take more vertical space (for 1) and they make the UI too crowded.

I also don’t think we should have any action button directly in the UI to watch/unwatch. This should be an action in the menus as any other action. OTOH we should have notification icons in the top bar so signify if a page is being watched for example.

Thanks -Vincent On 13 Oct 2015 at 17:39:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com) wrote:

Hi.

The other thread about the content menus re-organization has deviated to talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion on this new thread.

I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

WDYT?

Thanks,

I've just added a new iteration: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi... Thanks, 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this page and its children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this page". If you want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the parent page (it's not that hard).

I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on every page. We can have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to the Actions column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis.

So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can perform two actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its children". And the state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit watch" (either the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with children"). Maybe we don't care about the difference between explicit and implicit watch, in which case there will be only two states.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Hi.

The other thread about the content menus re-organization has deviated to talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion on this new thread.

I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

WDYT?

Thanks,

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2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net>:

Hi Guillaume,

On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:

...

I've just added a new iteration:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi...

Thanks.

I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space and that it doesn’t solve the general problem of notifications.

There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in the same line than the last modification date. It does not take more vertical space.

Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar as discussed in a few places?

I don't understand how the state of the current page (is it watched by the current user or not?) is related to "notification". To me, notifications are relevant to inform the user that a new message has been received or that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform about the state of the current page. In other words, notifications are about "events", and not about "state". Thanks,

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks,

2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

...

Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this page and its children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this page". If you want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the parent page (it's not that hard).

I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on every page. We can have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to the Actions column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis.

So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can perform two actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its children". And the state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit watch" (either the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with children"). Maybe we don't care about the difference between explicit and implicit watch, in which case there will be only two states.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Hi.

The other thread about the content menus re-organization has deviated to talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion on this new thread.

I have made some mock-ups that you can see there:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

...

WDYT?

Thanks,

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I like it. What about the others? 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net>:

Hi Guillaume,

On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:

...

2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net :

...

Hi Guillaume,

On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:

...

I've just added a new iteration:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi...

...

Thanks.

I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space and that it

doesn’t

...

solve the general problem of notifications.

There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in the same line than the last modification date. It does not take more vertical space.

...

Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar as

discussed

...

in a few places?

I don't understand how the state of the current page (is it watched by the current user or not?) is related to "notification". To me, notifications are relevant to inform the user that a new message has been received or that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform about the state of the current page. In other words, notifications are about "events", and not about "state”.

Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I was referring to a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the existing search icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to what exists on OSX.

For example check the top right of http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg (they call it menu bar icons).

I like this better because: 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we have lots of available horizontal space 3) We define a standard for all apps

The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and states there.

WDYT?

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks,

...

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks,

2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

...

Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this page and

its

...

...

...

children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this page". If you want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the parent page (it's not that hard).

I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on every page. We can have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to the Actions column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis.

So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can perform two actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its children". And the state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit watch" (either the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with children"). Maybe we don't care about the difference between explicit and implicit watch, in which case there will be only two states.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Hi.

The other thread about the content menus re-organization has deviated to talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion on this new thread.

I have made some mock-ups that you can see there:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

...

WDYT?

Thanks,

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded, would show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page and its children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming future) actual notifications about modified documents that the user is watching.

Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: * the current document is in your watch list (state for the current document) * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified (notifications) I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications, but I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to the current document. Thanks, Marius

Something like

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-con... but with the two options included.

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

I like it. What about the others?

2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net>:

...

Hi Guillaume,

On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:

...

2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net :

...

Hi Guillaume,

On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:

...

I've just added a new iteration:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi...

...

...

...

...

Thanks.

I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space and that it

doesn’t

...

solve the general problem of notifications.

There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in the same line than the last modification date. It does not take more vertical space.

...

Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar as

discussed

...

in a few places?

I don't understand how the state of the current page (is it watched by the current user or not?) is related to "notification". To me, notifications are relevant to inform the user that a new message has been received or that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform about the state of the current page. In other words, notifications are about "events", and not about "state”.

Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I was referring to a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the existing search icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to what exists on OSX.

For example check the top right of http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg (they call it menu bar icons).

I like this better because: 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we have lots of available horizontal space 3) We define a standard for all apps

The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and states there.

WDYT?

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks,

...

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks,

2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

> Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this page

and its

...

...

> children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this page". If you > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the parent page (it's > not that hard). > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on every page. We can > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to the Actions > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can perform two > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its children". And the > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit watch" (either > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with children"). Maybe > we don't care about the difference between explicit and implicit watch, in > which case there will be only two states. > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > The other thread about the content menus re-organization has deviated to > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion on this > > new thread. > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

...

...

> > > > WDYT? > > > > Thanks,

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I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose nor abusing the extra space we have in the top menu. What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell item for generic "notifications"? Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown in https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/... ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have the 2 watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown shown in http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...) which would also show their states. This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more actions section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions in the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the information that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all the other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information in one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the watch buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had this information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown. And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to proposal 3 ( http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p... ), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon instead :) Thanks, Eduard On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.Wa...

An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge proposed previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu.

Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu with a "bell" icon, such as:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...

WDYT?

Thanks,

2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

...

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi,

Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded, would show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page and its children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming future) actual notifications about modified documents that the user is watching.

Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that:

* the current document is in your watch list (state for the current document) * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified (notifications)

I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications, but I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to the current document.

Thanks, Marius

...

Something like

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-con...

...

...

but with the two options included.

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

I like it. What about the others?

2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net>:

...

Hi Guillaume,

On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:

...

2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net :

> Hi Guillaume, > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi...

...

...

...

...

...

> > Thanks. > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space and that it doesn’t > solve the general problem of notifications. >

There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in the same line than the last modification date. It does not take more vertical space.

> > Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar as discussed > in a few places? > > I don't understand how the state of the current page (is it watched by the current user or not?) is related to "notification". To me, notifications are relevant to inform the user that a new message has been received or that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform about the state of the current page. In other words, notifications are about "events", and not about "state”.

Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I was referring to a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the existing search icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to what exists on OSX.

For example check the top right of http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg (they call it menu bar icons).

I like this better because: 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we have lots of available horizontal space 3) We define a standard for all apps

The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and states there.

WDYT?

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks,

> > Thanks > -Vincent > > > Thanks, > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this page and its > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this page". If > you > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the parent page > (it's > > > not that hard). > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on every page. We > can > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to the Actions > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can perform two > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its children". And > the > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit watch" > (either > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with children"). > Maybe > > > we don't care about the difference between explicit and implicit > watch, in > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus re-organization has > deviated to > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion on > this > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: > > > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

...

...

...

> > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > Thanks,

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Hi. I've attached a mock-up of your idea there: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.Wa... Some thoughts: * the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent. So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count of unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in facebook: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1/... ) * the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a more global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification area so it's ok and quite intuitive. * it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as before in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot (nothing compared to a modal box to open). If everyone agrees, I can implement this way. Thanks, 2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

Edy's proposal sounds ok to me.

Thanks, Marius

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose nor abusing the extra space we have in the top menu.

What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell item for generic "notifications"? Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown in

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...

...

), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have the 2 watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown shown in

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

...

) which would also show their states.

This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more actions section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions in the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the information that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all the other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information in one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the watch buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had this information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown.

And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to proposal 3 (

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

...

), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon instead :)

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.Wa...

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An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge

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previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu.

Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu with a "bell" icon, such as:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...

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WDYT?

Thanks,

2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com

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Hi,

Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded, would show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page and its children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming future) actual notifications about modified documents that the user is watching.

Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that:

* the current document is in your watch list (state for the current document) * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified (notifications)

I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications, but I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to the current document.

Thanks, Marius

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Something like

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-con...

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but with the two options included.

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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I like it. What about the others?

2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net < vincent@massol.net :

> Hi Guillaume, > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net : > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi...

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> > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space and that it > doesn’t > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in the same line > than > > the last modification date. It does not take more vertical space. > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar as > discussed > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page (is it watched by > the > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". To me, notifications > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has been received or > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform about the state > of > > the current page. In other words, notifications are about "events", and > not > > about "state”. > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I was referring to > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the existing search > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to what exists on OSX. > > For example check the top right of > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg (they call > it menu bar icons). > > I like this better because: > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we have lots of > available horizontal space > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and states there. > > WDYT? > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this page and > its > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this page". > If > > > you > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the parent page > > > (it's > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on every page. > We > > > can > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to the > Actions > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can perform > two > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its children". > And > > > the > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit watch" > > > (either > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with children"). > > > Maybe > > > > > we don't care about the difference between explicit and implicit > > > watch, in > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > < > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus re-organization has > > > deviated to > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the discussion > on > > > this > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: > > > > > > > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

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> > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >

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-- Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau@xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

Hi, I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.Wa... Thanks, Caty On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Hi.

I've attached a mock-up of your idea there:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.Wa...

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Some thoughts:

* the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent.

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So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count of unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in facebook:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1/...

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Yes, we'll need something like this.

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* the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a

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global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification area so it's ok and quite intuitive.

* it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as before in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot (nothing compared to a modal box to open).

If everyone agrees, I can implement this way.

Thanks,

2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

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Edy's proposal sounds ok to me.

Thanks, Marius

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> wrote:

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I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose nor abusing the extra space we have in the top menu.

What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell item for generic "notifications"? Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown in

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...

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), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have the 2 watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown shown in

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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) which would also show their states.

This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more actions section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions in the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the information that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all the other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information in one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the watch buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had this information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown.

And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to proposal 3 (

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon instead :)

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.Wa...

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An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge

proposed

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previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu.

Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu with a "bell" icon, such as:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...

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WDYT?

Thanks,

2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru <

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> Hi, > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded, would > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page and its > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming future) > actual notifications about modified documents that the user is watching. >

Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that:

* the current document is in your watch list (state for the current document) * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified (notifications)

I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications, but I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to the current document.

Thanks, Marius

> > Something like > >

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-con...

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> but with the two options included. > > Thanks, > Eduard > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > I like it. What about the others? > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net < vincent@massol.net : > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net : > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi...

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> > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space and that it > > > doesn’t > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in the same line > > > than > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more vertical space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar as > > > discussed > > > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page (is it watched > by > > > the > > > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". To me, > > notifications > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has been received > or > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform about the > > state > > > of > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are about "events", > and > > > not > > > > about "state”. > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I was referring > to > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the existing > search > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to what exists on > > OSX. > > > > > > For example check the top right of > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg (they > > call > > > it menu bar icons). > > > > > > I like this better because: > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we have lots of > > > available horizontal space > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and states there. > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch this page > and > > > its > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only "Watch this > page". > > > If > > > > > you > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to the parent > > page > > > > > (it's > > > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed on every > > page. > > > We > > > > > can > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional entry to the > > > Actions > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the user can > > perform > > > two > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and its > > children". > > > And > > > > > the > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", "Implicit > > watch" > > > > > (either > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched "with > > children"). > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference between explicit and > implicit > > > > > watch, in > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > Delhumeau > > > < > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus re-organization has > > > > > deviated to > > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue the > > discussion > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau@xwiki.com) > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Since there were no hints about the functionality, I've iterated providing more details about the configuration and hidding into a configuration, focusing on the notifications: * http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N... * http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N... * Interaction: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N... Thanks, Caty On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

I've posted a screenshot of a prototype inspired by the Caty's mockups:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...

If everyone agrees I continue in this direction.

Thanks,

2015-11-02 15:31 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac@gmail.com>:

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Hi,

I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.Wa...

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Thanks, Caty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Hi.

I've attached a mock-up of your idea there:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.Wa...

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Some thoughts:

* the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent.

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So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count of unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in facebook:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1/...

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)

Yes, we'll need something like this.

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* the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in

a more

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global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification area so it's ok and quite intuitive.

* it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as before in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot (nothing compared to a modal box to open).

If everyone agrees, I can implement this way.

Thanks,

2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

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Edy's proposal sounds ok to me.

Thanks, Marius

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < enygma2002@gmail.com

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wrote:

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I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose nor abusing the extra space we have in the top menu.

What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell item for generic "notifications"? Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown in

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...

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), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have the 2 watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown shown in

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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) which would also show their states.

This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more actions section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions in the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the information that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all the other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information in one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the watch buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had this information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown.

And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to proposal 3 (

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon instead :)

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

> Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3: > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.Wa...

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> > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge proposed > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu. > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu with a > "bell" icon, such as: > >

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...

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> > WDYT? > > Thanks, > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru < enygma2002@gmail.com

> > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded, would > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page and > its > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming future) > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user is > watching. > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the current > > document) > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified > > (notifications) > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications, but > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to the > current > > document. > > > > Thanks, > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > >

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-con...

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Without the configuration area and with some hint text, the area would look like: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/S... Hints could be added (as suggested by Guillaume) and maybe we could use a smaller (non standard) font-size in order to limit its size. Otherwise hitting the configuration anytime you would like to see notifications could be a discomfort. Depends what is our priority: reading or managing the notifications. Thanks, Caty On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

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We would be back to 2 clicks to find the watch state, which is too much IMO.

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If everyone agrees I continue in this direction.

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I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs

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So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count of unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in facebook:

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* it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as before in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot (nothing compared to a modal box to open).

If everyone agrees, I can implement this way.

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> > ) > > which would also show their states. > > > > This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more actions > > section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions in > > the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the information > > that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all the > > other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information in > > one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the > watch > > buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had this > > information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown. > > > > And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to proposal 3 > ( > > > > >

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> > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru < enygma2002@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded, > > would > > > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page > and > > > its > > > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming > > future) > > > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user is > > > watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the current > > > > document) > > > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified > > > > (notifications) > > > > > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications, > > but > > > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to the > > > current > > > > document. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Some new mock-ups: With an "?" button after the 3 option buttons: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N... It opens a popup to explain what it is about (text can be improved): http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N... No extra-click to see the state of the watchlist. Not too cluttered for day-to-day usage. A new user can still now what these buttons are about thanks to the help button. Works for desktop and mobiles. WDYT? Thanks, Guillaume 2015-11-03 13:00 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>:

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Without the configuration area and with some hint text, the area would look like:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/S...

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Hints could be added (as suggested by Guillaume) and maybe we could use a smaller (non standard) font-size in order to limit its size. Otherwise hitting the configuration anytime you would like to see notifications could be a discomfort.

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Depends what is our priority: reading or managing the notifications.

Managing the notifications is one thing. Checking the watch *state* for the current page ("am I watching this page?") is another thing, which should not be hidden behind 2 clicks, but that's just my opinion. Maybe the users don't care that much where the current page is being watched or not.

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Thanks, Caty

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Since there were no hints about the functionality, I've iterated providing more details about the configuration and hidding into a

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We would be back to 2 clicks to find the watch state, which is too much IMO.

Thanks, Marius

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Thanks, Caty

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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I've posted a screenshot of a prototype inspired by the Caty's

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If everyone agrees I continue in this direction.

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I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.Wa...

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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

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> gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > I've attached a mock-up of your idea there: > > > > >

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> > > > Some thoughts: > > > > * the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the > > watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent. > > > > > > > So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count of > > unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in facebook: > > > > >

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> > ) > > > > Yes, we'll need something like this. > > > > > > * the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a > more > > global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification > > area so it's ok and quite intuitive. > > > > * it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as > before > > in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot > > (nothing compared to a modal box to open). > > > > > > If everyone agrees, I can implement this way. > > > > Thanks, > > > > 2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > Edy's proposal sounds ok to me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Marius > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < enygma2002@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose > nor > > > > abusing the extra space we have in the top menu. > > > > > > > > What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell > > > item > > > > for generic "notifications"? > > > > Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have > the 2 > > > > watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown > shown > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > ) > > > > which would also show their states. > > > > > > > > This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more > actions > > > > section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions > > in > > > > the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the > > information > > > > that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all > the > > > > other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information > > in > > > > one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the > > > watch > > > > buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had > > this > > > > information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown. > > > > > > > > And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to > proposal > > 3 > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...

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> > > > ), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon > > instead > > > :) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge > > > proposed > > > > > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu. > > > > > > > > > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu > with > > a > > > > > "bell" icon, such as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > enygma2002@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when > expanded, > > > > would > > > > > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current > page > > > and > > > > > its > > > > > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming > > > > future) > > > > > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user is > > > > > watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > > > > > > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the > current > > > > > > document) > > > > > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified > > > > > > (notifications) > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal > > notifications, > > > > but > > > > > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to > the > > > > > current > > > > > > document. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > but with the two options included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like it. What about the others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net < > > > vincent@massol.net > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto: gdelhumeau@xwiki.com )) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto: gdelhumeau@xwiki.com )) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space > and > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > doesn’t > > > > > > > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in > the > > > > same > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more > vertical > > > > space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top menu > > bar > > > > as > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page (is > it > > > > > watched > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". To > me, > > > > > > > > notifications > > > > > > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has > been > > > > > > received > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are about > > > > > "events", > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > about "state”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I > was > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the > > > existing > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to > what > > > > exists > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > OSX. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example check the top right of > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg > > > > > (they > > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > it menu bar icons). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this better because: > > > > > > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > > > > > > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we > > have > > > > > lots > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > available horizontal space > > > > > > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and > > states > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be "Watch > > > this > > > > > page > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only > "Watch > > > > this > > > > > > > page". > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate to > > the > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > > (it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be displayed > > on > > > > > every > > > > > > > > page. > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an additional > > > entry > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Actions > > > > > > > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the > > user > > > > can > > > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page and > > its > > > > > > > > children". > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", > > > > "Implicit > > > > > > > > watch" > > > > > > > > > > > (either > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched > > "with > > > > > > > > children"). > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference between explicit > > and > > > > > > > implicit > > > > > > > > > > > watch, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume > > > "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > > > Delhumeau > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus > > > > re-organization > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > deviated to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue > > the > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

Some new mock-ups:

With an "?" button after the 3 option buttons:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...

It opens a popup to explain what it is about (text can be improved):

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...

I find the text to be minimal in order to justify the need of a popup. I'm in favor of using Tooltips ( http://getbootstrap.com/javascript/#tooltips)(mentioned before by Guillaume) than a modal for that amount of text. I know there are problems on mobiles with hover and tooltips, but I find it more elegant than using the modal. Thanks, Caty

No extra-click to see the state of the watchlist.

Not too cluttered for day-to-day usage.

A new user can still now what these buttons are about thanks to the help button.

Works for desktop and mobiles.

WDYT?

Thanks,

Guillaume

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Without the configuration area and with some hint text, the area would look like:

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Hints could be added (as suggested by Guillaume) and maybe we could

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smaller (non standard) font-size in order to limit its size. Otherwise hitting the configuration anytime you would like to see notifications could be a discomfort.

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Depends what is our priority: reading or managing the notifications.

Managing the notifications is one thing. Checking the watch *state* for the current page ("am I watching this page?") is another thing, which should not be hidden behind 2 clicks, but that's just my opinion. Maybe the users don't care that much where the current page is being watched or not.

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I've posted a screenshot of a prototype inspired by the Caty's mockups:

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...

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If everyone agrees I continue in this direction.

Thanks,

2015-11-02 15:31 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <

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> Hi, > > I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki > watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs > >

http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.Wa...

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> > Thanks, > Caty > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > I've attached a mock-up of your idea there: > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > Some thoughts: > > > > > > * the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the > > > watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent. > > > > > > > > > > > So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count > of > > > unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in > facebook: > > > > > > > > >

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> > > ) > > > > > > > Yes, we'll need something like this. > > > > > > > > > > * the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a > > more > > > global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification > > > area so it's ok and quite intuitive. > > > > > > * it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as > > before > > > in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot > > > (nothing compared to a modal box to open). > > > > > > > > > If everyone agrees, I can implement this way. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > 2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > Edy's proposal sounds ok to me. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < enygma2002@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose > > nor > > > > > abusing the extra space we have in the top menu. > > > > > > > > > > What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the > bell > > > > item > > > > > for generic "notifications"? > > > > > Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown > shown > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have > > the 2 > > > > > watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown > > shown > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > ) > > > > > which would also show their states. > > > > > > > > > > This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more > > actions > > > > > section and we would group notifications and > page-watch-subscriptions > > > in > > > > > the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the > > > information > > > > > that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all > > the > > > > > other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that > information > > > in > > > > > one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of > the > > > > watch > > > > > buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had > > > this > > > > > information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown. > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to > > proposal > > > 3 > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > ), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon > > > instead > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > < > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge > > > > proposed > > > > > > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu > > with > > > a > > > > > > "bell" icon, such as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > > enygma2002@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when > > expanded, > > > > > would > > > > > > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current > > page > > > > and > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the > coming > > > > > future) > > > > > > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user > is > > > > > > watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the > > current > > > > > > > document) > > > > > > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been > modified > > > > > > > (notifications) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal > > > notifications, > > > > > but > > > > > > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to > > the > > > > > > current > > > > > > > document. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > but with the two options included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like it. What about the others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net < > > > > vincent@massol.net > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto: gdelhumeau@xwiki.com )) > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent@massol.net : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto: gdelhumeau@xwiki.com )) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space > > and > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > doesn’t > > > > > > > > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more > > vertical > > > > > space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top > menu > > > bar > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page > (is > > it > > > > > > watched > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". To > > me, > > > > > > > > > notifications > > > > > > > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has > > been > > > > > > > received > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to > inform > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are > about > > > > > > "events", > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > about "state”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I > > was > > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the > > > > existing > > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to > > what > > > > > exists > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > OSX. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example check the top right of > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg > > > > > > (they > > > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > > it menu bar icons). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this better because: > > > > > > > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > > > > > > > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus > we > > > have > > > > > > lots > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > available horizontal space > > > > > > > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and > > > states > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be > "Watch > > > > this > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only > > "Watch > > > > > this > > > > > > > > page". > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate > to > > > the > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be > displayed > > > on > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > page. > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an > additional > > > > entry > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Actions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the > > > user > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page > and > > > its > > > > > > > > > children". > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", > > > > > "Implicit > > > > > > > > > watch" > > > > > > > > > > > > (either > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched > > > "with > > > > > > > > > children"). > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference between > explicit > > > and > > > > > > > > implicit > > > > > > > > > > > > watch, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume > > > > "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > > > > Delhumeau > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus > > > > > re-organization > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > deviated to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to > continue > > > the > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see > there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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