+1 On 24/03/2016 11:48, Eduard Moraru wrote:

+1

The ~32MB limit is just ridiculous :)

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Paul Libbrecht <paul@hoplahup.net> wrote:

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My big big +1 ! Paul

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Vincent Massol <mailto:vincent@massol.net> 24 March 2016 at 11:35 Hi devs,

It’s been a very long time that Caleb has implemented fileystem storage and we still see people regularly stuggling to attach largish attachments to their wiki. I think it’s time that we make it the default even if the implementation is still not perfect.

Namely here are the opened issue related to filesystem store:

https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=component%20%3D%20%22Storage%20-%20File%2...

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Tha main 2 issues are: - XWiki.DeletedAttachments shows nothing when filesystem attachments are enabled. - FS Attachments does not delete files when a subwiki has been removed

I’m proposing for the moment to add a warning to the deleted attachments tab on AllDocs when fs attachment is on.

I think the pros outbalances the cons. WDYT?

Here’s my +1

Thanks -Vincent

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+1 Mohamed On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic@xwiki.com> wrote:

Yes +1 as it's long overdue

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> wrote:

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+1

The ~32MB limit is just ridiculous :)

Thanks, Eduard

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Paul Libbrecht <paul@hoplahup.net> wrote:

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My big big +1 ! Paul

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Vincent Massol <mailto:vincent@massol.net> 24 March 2016 at 11:35 Hi devs,

It’s been a very long time that Caleb has implemented fileystem storage and we still see people regularly stuggling to attach largish attachments to their wiki. I think it’s time that we make it the default even if the implementation is still not perfect.

Namely here are the opened issue related to filesystem store:

https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=component%20%3D%20%22Storage%20-%20File%2...

...

...

...

Tha main 2 issues are: - XWiki.DeletedAttachments shows nothing when filesystem attachments are enabled. - FS Attachments does not delete files when a subwiki has been

removed

...

I’m proposing for the moment to add a warning to the deleted attachments tab on AllDocs when fs attachment is on.

I think the pros outbalances the cons. WDYT?

Here’s my +1

Thanks -Vincent

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl@softec.lu> wrote:

+0

As Thomas said, it would be better to also fix the issues, this should not be that hard. There is also other aspects that deserve attention:

- migrating users, that should be warned and provided better way to migrate than a snippet IMO.

Indeed.

- the fact that user data will no more be in a single place, and that user may miss the permanent directory for their backup, especially because it does not contains other precious information so far. We should raise more attention on that point.

Well extensions are quite important stuff already.

This second point is quite important IMO, this is why I am not really +1, I actually prefer limitation and safety, but I understand why we want to change.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com

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+0

I feel that we should first fix the two issues you mentioned. The second one should not be too hard to fix (it's just about listening to WikiDeletedEvent and do some cleanup I guess).

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi devs,

It’s been a very long time that Caleb has implemented fileystem storage and we still see people regularly stuggling to attach largish attachments to their wiki. I think it’s time that we make it the default even if the implementation is still not perfect.

Namely here are the opened issue related to filesystem store:

https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=component%20%3D%20%22Storage%20-%20File%2...

...

Tha main 2 issues are: - XWiki.DeletedAttachments shows nothing when filesystem attachments are

enabled.

...

- FS Attachments does not delete files when a subwiki has been removed

I’m proposing for the moment to add a warning to the deleted attachments tab on AllDocs when fs attachment is on.

I think the pros outbalances the cons. WDYT?

Here’s my +1

Thanks -Vincent

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Hi Denis,

On 24 Mar 2016, at 12:48, Denis Gervalle <dgl@softec.lu> wrote:

+0

As Thomas said, it would be better to also fix the issues, this should not be that hard. There is also other aspects that deserve attention: - migrating users, that should be warned and provided better way to migrate than a snippet IMO.

- the fact that user data will no more be in a single place, and that user may miss the permanent directory for their backup, especially because it does not contains other precious information so far. We should raise more attention on that point.

FTR I’ve documented this a long time ago at: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Backup Use cases: * UC1: The user upgrades to latest version of XWiki and merges the xwiki.cfg file * UC2: The user installs a new version and imports a XAR containing all his pages (including attachments). For UC2 nothing to do. For UC1, there are several options: 1) We convert Caleb’s snippet into a DB migrator and move the attachments out of the DB at startup 2) We don’t do anything at startup but we notice that there are attachment content in the DB and we show a "Distribution Wizard”-like UI to convert at the first request (for admins), using the code Caleb’s snippet. We would put explanations about the backup warning you mentioned. What would be the best would be to refactor the DB migrators so that they can have an associated UI, which would be a "Distribution Wizard”-like UI. Any better idea? Now all this is theoretic since there’s nobody with the time to work on any of this AFAIK, so we can create jira issues about it but if we want to progress we need to turn on FS-attachments by default.

This second point is quite important IMO, this is why I am not really +1, I actually prefer limitation and safety, but I understand why we want to change.

This proposal is about moving forward. We’ve been wanting to have FS-based attachments the default for several years now and we haven’t done it for all those reasons. It has not worked in making us fix those issues so far. So the idea is to go forward, make it the default and then improve. You’re not blocking so that’s good. We can move forward :) Thanks -Vincent

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com

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wrote:

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+0

I feel that we should first fix the two issues you mentioned. The second one should not be too hard to fix (it's just about listening to WikiDeletedEvent and do some cleanup I guess).

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi devs,

It’s been a very long time that Caleb has implemented fileystem storage and we still see people regularly stuggling to attach largish attachments to their wiki. I think it’s time that we make it the default even if the implementation is still not perfect.

Namely here are the opened issue related to filesystem store:

https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=component%20%3D%20%22Storage%20-%20File%2...

...

Tha main 2 issues are: - XWiki.DeletedAttachments shows nothing when filesystem attachments are

enabled.

...

- FS Attachments does not delete files when a subwiki has been removed

I’m proposing for the moment to add a warning to the deleted attachments tab on AllDocs when fs attachment is on.

I think the pros outbalances the cons. WDYT?

Here’s my +1

Thanks -Vincent

On 24 Mar 2016, at 14:45, Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi Denis,

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On 24 Mar 2016, at 12:48, Denis Gervalle <dgl@softec.lu> wrote:

+0

As Thomas said, it would be better to also fix the issues, this should not be that hard. There is also other aspects that deserve attention: - migrating users, that should be warned and provided better way to migrate than a snippet IMO.

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- the fact that user data will no more be in a single place, and that user may miss the permanent directory for their backup, especially because it does not contains other precious information so far. We should raise more attention on that point.

FTR I’ve documented this a long time ago at: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Backup

Use cases: * UC1: The user upgrades to latest version of XWiki and merges the xwiki.cfg file * UC2: The user installs a new version and imports a XAR containing all his pages (including attachments).

For UC2 nothing to do.

For UC1, there are several options: 1) We convert Caleb’s snippet into a DB migrator and move the attachments out of the DB at startup 2) We don’t do anything at startup but we notice that there are attachment content in the DB and we show a "Distribution Wizard”-like UI to convert at the first request (for admins), using the code Caleb’s snippet. We would put explanations about the backup warning you mentioned.

What would be the best would be to refactor the DB migrators so that they can have an associated UI, which would be a "Distribution Wizard”-like UI.

Any better idea?

Now all this is theoretic since there’s nobody with the time to work on any of this AFAIK, so we can create jira issues about it but if we want to progress we need to turn on FS-attachments by default.

There's no guarantee that the issues will be fixed after we enable File System attachments by default, unless we put in on the roadmap (with someone assigned to it), but then what stopped us from putting it on the roadmap before?

Ok, so you’re saying that for you the benefits of having it by default are less important than the issues that exist but you’re also saying (the +0) that you’re ok to let it be done. Thanks -Vincent

This second point is quite important IMO, this is why I am not really

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+1, I

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actually prefer limitation and safety, but I understand why we want to change.

This proposal is about moving forward. We’ve been wanting to have FS-based attachments the default for several years now and we haven’t done it for all those reasons. It has not worked in making us fix those issues so far. So the idea is to go forward, make it the default and then improve.

We may be going forward but we introduce regressions. So I'm not fully convinced, +0.

Thanks, Marius

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You’re not blocking so that’s good. We can move forward :)

Thanks -Vincent

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Thomas Mortagne < thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com

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wrote:

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+0

I feel that we should first fix the two issues you mentioned. The second one should not be too hard to fix (it's just about listening to WikiDeletedEvent and do some cleanup I guess).

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

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Hi devs,

It’s been a very long time that Caleb has implemented fileystem storage and we still see people regularly stuggling to attach largish attachments to their wiki. I think it’s time that we make it the default even if the implementation is still not perfect.

Namely here are the opened issue related to filesystem store:

https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=component%20%3D%20%22Storage%20-%20File%2...

...

...

Tha main 2 issues are: - XWiki.DeletedAttachments shows nothing when filesystem attachments

are enabled.

...

- FS Attachments does not delete files when a subwiki has been removed

I’m proposing for the moment to add a warning to the deleted attachments tab on AllDocs when fs attachment is on.

I think the pros outbalances the cons. WDYT?

Here’s my +1

Thanks -Vincent

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