[xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Wiki vs Nested Spaces
Hi devs, With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when should a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space. Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)). Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper. Thanks! -Vincent
Hi. Good initiative! Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki? Thanks, 2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net>:
Hi devs,
With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when should a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space.
Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces
It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)).
Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper.
Thanks! -Vincent
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On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hi.
Good initiative!
Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki?
Fixed, thanks! -Vincent
Thanks,
2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net :
Hi devs,
With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when should a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space.
Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces
It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)).
Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper.
Thanks! -Vincent
Great idea indeed :-) I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit like templates anyway). I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them to this page. Thanks, Guillaume (the other one) On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hi.
Good initiative!
Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki?
Fixed, thanks!
-Vincent
Thanks,
2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net :
Hi devs,
With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when
should
a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space.
Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces
It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)).
Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper.
Thanks! -Vincent
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:56:51, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Great idea indeed :-)
I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit like templates anyway).
Updated.
I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them to this page.
I just barely started it an hour ago… I’ll let it run for a few days and then move it. Thanks -Vincent
Thanks,
Guillaume (the other one)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hi.
Good initiative!
Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki?
Fixed, thanks!
-Vincent
Thanks,
2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net :
Hi devs,
With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when
should
a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space.
Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces
It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)).
Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper.
Thanks! -Vincent
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I think you forgot the main one: a wiki can have its own users :) On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:56:51, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Great idea indeed :-)
I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit like templates anyway).
Updated.
I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them to this page.
I just barely started it an hour ago… I’ll let it run for a few days and then move it.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks,
Guillaume (the other one)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hi.
Good initiative!
Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki?
Fixed, thanks!
-Vincent
Thanks,
2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net :
Hi devs,
With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when
should
a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space.
Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces
It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)).
Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper.
Thanks! -Vincent
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On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:09:21, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
I think you forgot the main one: a wiki can have its own users :)
:) It’s there in "Delegate Administration/Right Management”: "However, it's not possible to have users existing only for a Space." It’s also in the summary indirectly: “ You want to implement an XWiki Farm where each wiki is seen as an island (own users, etc) " Thanks -Vincent
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:56:51, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Great idea indeed :-)
I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit like templates anyway).
Updated.
I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them to this page.
I just barely started it an hour ago… I’ll let it run for a few days and then move it.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks,
Guillaume (the other one)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hi.
Good initiative!
Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki?
Fixed, thanks!
-Vincent
Thanks,
2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net :
Hi devs,
With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when
should
a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space.
Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces
It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)).
Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper.
Thanks! -Vincent
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:09:21, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
I think you forgot the main one: a wiki can have its own users :)
:)
It’s there in "Delegate Administration/Right Management”:
Having dedicated users is itself a feature which is different from "Delegate Administration/Right Management”, you have right management in spaces too.
"However, it's not possible to have users existing only for a Space."
It’s also in the summary indirectly:
“ You want to implement an XWiki Farm where each wiki is seen as an island (own users, etc) "
Thanks -Vincent
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:56:51, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Great idea indeed :-)
I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit like templates anyway).
Updated.
I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them to this page.
I just barely started it an hour ago… I’ll let it run for a few days and then move it.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks,
Guillaume (the other one)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hi.
Good initiative!
Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki?
Fixed, thanks!
-Vincent
Thanks,
2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net :
> Hi devs, > > With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and > we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when
should
> a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space. > > Thus I’ve started > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces > > It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with > differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page > directly (preferred :)). > > Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation > proper. > > Thanks! > -Vincent
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On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:14:43, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:09:21, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
I think you forgot the main one: a wiki can have its own users :)
:)
It’s there in "Delegate Administration/Right Management”:
Having dedicated users is itself a feature which is different from "Delegate Administration/Right Management”, you have right management in spaces too.
Done. Thanks -Vincent
"However, it's not possible to have users existing only for a Space."
It’s also in the summary indirectly:
“ You want to implement an XWiki Farm where each wiki is seen as an island (own users, etc) "
Thanks -Vincent
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:56:51, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Great idea indeed :-)
I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit like templates anyway).
Updated.
I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them to this page.
I just barely started it an hour ago… I’ll let it run for a few days and then move it.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks,
Guillaume (the other one)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> Hi. > > Good initiative! > > Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a > user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki?
Fixed, thanks!
-Vincent
> > > Thanks, > > 2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net : > > > Hi devs, > > > > With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and > > we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when should > > a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space. > > > > Thus I’ve started > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces > > > > It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with > > differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page > > directly (preferred :)). > > > > Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation > > proper. > > > > Thanks! > > -Vincent
You cannot rollback a deleted wiki, so unless you have a backup you've lost your data. You can't restore a deleted space with a single click from the UI either, but at least you can restore each page from that space from the UI, or use a script. In other words, there's no Recycle bin for wikis. Spaces share the XClasses. If you modify one XClass (e.g. XWiki.JavaScriptExtension) you affect all the pages that use it, from all the spaces. Wikis have to duplicate the XClasses, but this means the modifications are isolated. As a consequence, it's much harder (if not impossible) to implement a "playground" using a space than using a wiki. Thanks, Marius On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:14:43, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:09:21, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
I think you forgot the main one: a wiki can have its own users :)
:)
It’s there in "Delegate Administration/Right Management”:
Having dedicated users is itself a feature which is different from "Delegate Administration/Right Management”, you have right management in spaces too.
Done.
Thanks -Vincent
"However, it's not possible to have users existing only for a Space."
It’s also in the summary indirectly:
“ You want to implement an XWiki Farm where each wiki is seen as an island (own users, etc) "
Thanks -Vincent
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:56:51, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Great idea indeed :-)
I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit like templates anyway).
Updated.
I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them to this page.
I just barely started it an hour ago… I’ll let it run for a few days and then move it.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks,
Guillaume (the other one)
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
> > > On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > Good initiative! > > > > Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a > > user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki? > > > Fixed, thanks! > > -Vincent > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > 2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net : > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and > > > we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when > should > > > a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space. > > > > > > Thus I’ve started > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces > > > > > > It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with > > > differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page > > > directly (preferred :)). > > > > > > Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation > > > proper. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > -Vincent
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On 17 Sep 2015 at 17:08:21, Marius Dumitru Florea (mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com)) wrote:
You cannot rollback a deleted wiki, so unless you have a backup you've lost your data. You can't restore a deleted space with a single click from the UI either, but at least you can restore each page from that space from the UI, or use a script. In other words, there's no Recycle bin for wikis.
Spaces share the XClasses. If you modify one XClass (e.g. XWiki.JavaScriptExtension) you affect all the pages that use it, from all the spaces. Wikis have to duplicate the XClasses, but this means the modifications are isolated. As a consequence, it's much harder (if not impossible) to implement a "playground" using a space than using a wiki.
Thanks, added to the page. -Vincent
Thanks, Marius
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:14:43, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:09:21, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
I think you forgot the main one: a wiki can have its own users :)
:)
It’s there in "Delegate Administration/Right Management”:
Having dedicated users is itself a feature which is different from "Delegate Administration/Right Management”, you have right management in spaces too.
Done.
Thanks -Vincent
"However, it's not possible to have users existing only for a Space."
It’s also in the summary indirectly:
“ You want to implement an XWiki Farm where each wiki is seen as an island (own users, etc) "
Thanks -Vincent
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:56:51, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> Great idea indeed :-) > > I just reviewed it and I found only one thing to add. There might also be > the notion of "Flavor", but it's not in the product yet (and it's a bit > like templates anyway).
Updated.
> I think it's already good enough to go in the main documentation... This is > a question I often get from users, it will be nice to be able to point them > to this page.
I just barely started it an hour ago… I’ll let it run for a few days and then move it.
Thanks -Vincent
> Thanks, > > Guillaume (the other one) > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, vincent@massol.net > wrote: > > > > > > > On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:43:09, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > Good initiative! > > > > > > Only one remark: are you sure we can "invite" (with an invitation UI) a > > > user in a space the same way as we can do for a wiki? > > > > > > Fixed, thanks! > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > 2015-09-17 11:15 GMT+02:00 vincent@massol.net : > > > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and > > > > we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when > > should > > > > a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space. > > > > > > > > Thus I’ve started > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces > > > > > > > > It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with > > > > differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page > > > > directly (preferred :)). > > > > > > > > Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation > > > > proper. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Vincent
Note: I’ve now incorporated the page inside http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/ContentOrganization Thanks -Vincent On 17 Sep 2015 at 11:15:18, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
With 7.2 the differences between Wiki and Nested Spaces are smaller and we’re probably going to have more and more questions related to when should a user use a Wiki and when should he/she use a Space.
Thus I’ve started http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WikivsNestedSpaces
It would be great if you could either reply on this thread with differences that you see (and I’ll update the page) or update that page directly (preferred :)).
Once the page has good data, I’ll move the content to the documentation proper.
Thanks! -Vincent
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