Hi Eddy. First, thanks for your answer. 2013/10/7 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

Hi Guilllaume,

1) What is the point of the WikiDescriptorAlias class if it just holds and returns a string?

Also, the only method in the WikiDescriptorManager that works with aliases accepts a String instead of the WikiDescriptorAlias class, so this means that the class is useless:

WikiDescriptor getByWikiAlias(String wikiAlias) throws WikiManagerException;

I did not really think about it, I just take the work done by Vincent on wiki descriptors.

2) WikiManager:

The methods wikiIdExists and and isWikiIdAvailable do the same thing, they just call it differently. Use only one, like wikiExists().

I should have added the javadoc about that. This is what I have in mind : - wikiExists(String wikiOd) as you said - wikiAvailable(String wikiId) that checks if the wiki id is valid and free (that means that there is no existing database with that name -- not necessary related to XWiki). It is not implemented yet.

Also, since it's a WikiManager, so the "wiki" part is in the name of the class, we get it that it deals with wikis. You could remove the "wiki" part from method names, like: - create instead of createWiki - delete instead of deleteWiki - exists instead of existsWiki - so on...

I agree. I'll change it ;)

Note on the naming of methods: I`ve noticed a rather annoying thing in the way the methods are named. So you have a class that is say... WikiDescriptor.

Indeed, but a Wiki class would not contain something else than a descriptor. I don't know what to do. Renaming WikiDescriptor to Wiki?

3) WikiManager:

What is the point of these 2 methods?

void setDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

void removeDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

Looking at the implementation, I see that you`re handling descriptors (setting/deleting) whithout corelating it to the wikis. I mean, if you remove a descriptor, then you must remove the wiki too, and that is the task of the WikiManager.delete() method.

I have keeped them because it is used in the descriptors implementation of Vincent. But I agree that it is weird to have it in the API.

4) Don`t use implementation details. Improve the interface (API) if there is information you`re missing:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I disagree. In this code, I need to have the document related to the descriptor. It depends on the current implementation, because we can imagine an implementation where the descriptors are not stored in the wiki. So I won't add a getDocument() in the API, but I need it in my implementation.

5) DefaultWikiManager.createDescritptor Since you have a WikiDescriptorBuilder class, maybe that is where the logic of creating/building the descriptor's details (objects, document) and where the logic of extracting the document name from wiki name and viceversa should be located.

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I agree, I will move that code into WikiDescriptorBuilder.

6) DefaultWikiManager.getByWikiId Again seeing the logic of wikiID-to-document. It should be located in a single place and not spread in multiple places. Use a method of the WikiManager class or of the DescriptorBuilder class.

OK.

7) WikiManagerScriptService: - deleteWiki: Why do you need Admin right to delete a wiki when you did not need it in order to create it? That`s bad. We should probably have a deleteWiki right as well.

It is a temporary solution in my implementation. The problem is: who has the right to remove a wiki ? - his owner? But we don't have the notion of owner in this API. It belongs to the wiki-users module to handle this concept. - someone who has the CREATE_WIKI right? That means every person who has the CREATE_WIKI right can also delete any existing wiki? - someone who as the DELETE_WIKI right? Why not, but we need to make a vote for adding this new right. So, in my first implementation, I have used the admin right.

Also, consider the workspaces use case when user create and delete wikis/workspaces when they want to and when they are done with them.

To me, it belongs to the future wiki-user module.

- context key for exceptions "lastexception2" is not the best of choices. Try something like "wikiException" instead, or even just "lastexception" like it was before (if we consider this as a best practice). What's the reason for "lastexception2"?

It's a bad commit. I have setted this name for debugging reason.

As a general note, I fail to see the added value of this module at this point. I mean, the whole point was to have both the functionality of WikiManager and Workspaces. I get it that it's a work in progress and that it's at the first stages, but you need to touch those points before it becomes relevant. Not that it's bad, just that it's not much there to see at this point.

The idea is to split in different simple modules, that enable us to easily add a new feature or to depends on a module without depending on the whole core. I try to reduce the dependencies while I design the modules.

Hope this helps, Eduard

Thanks Eduard! Louis-Marie

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Hi.

In this thread, I want to propose you the tiniest API that we need to handle multiwiki. All other features (users, templates, workspaces...) will be on other modules, because I think it is better for the extensibility.

The new module will be based on the xwiki-platform-wiki-descriptor-api module, that I will rename to xwiki-platform-wiki-api. The WikiDescriptorManager becomes WikiManager and handle both descriptors and databases.

This API will permit: * to create a wiki * to remove a wiki * to list all wikis (returning a list of descriptors) * ...

You can see the code of that proposal there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

The most important is to decide what the API must look like. The implementation can still be modified afterwards.

I hope you like it,

Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Before writing extensions the API need to be extensible and we don't see it in your current API ;) This needs to be there before validating this API. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

Thanks to your advices (Eddy and Thomas), I propose you a clean version: https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I have only changed the API, not the implementation.

I think it starts to be clean.

2013/10/7 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

Hi Eddy.

First, thanks for your answer.

2013/10/7 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

...

Hi Guilllaume,

1) What is the point of the WikiDescriptorAlias class if it just holds and returns a string?

...

Also, the only method in the WikiDescriptorManager that works with aliases accepts a String instead of the WikiDescriptorAlias class, so this means that the class is useless:

WikiDescriptor getByWikiAlias(String wikiAlias) throws WikiManagerException;

I did not really think about it, I just take the work done by Vincent on wiki descriptors.

...

2) WikiManager:

The methods wikiIdExists and and isWikiIdAvailable do the same thing, they just call it differently. Use only one, like wikiExists().

I should have added the javadoc about that. This is what I have in mind : - wikiExists(String wikiOd) as you said - wikiAvailable(String wikiId) that checks if the wiki id is valid and free (that means that there is no existing database with that name -- not necessary related to XWiki).

It is not implemented yet.

...

Also, since it's a WikiManager, so the "wiki" part is in the name of the class, we get it that it deals with wikis. You could remove the "wiki" part from method names, like: - create instead of createWiki - delete instead of deleteWiki - exists instead of existsWiki - so on...

I agree. I'll change it ;)

...

Note on the naming of methods: I`ve noticed a rather annoying thing in the way the methods are named. So you have a class that is say... WikiDescriptor.

Indeed, but a Wiki class would not contain something else than a descriptor. I don't know what to do. Renaming WikiDescriptor to Wiki?

...

3) WikiManager:

What is the point of these 2 methods?

void setDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

void removeDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

Looking at the implementation, I see that you`re handling descriptors (setting/deleting) whithout corelating it to the wikis. I mean, if you remove a descriptor, then you must remove the wiki too, and that is the task of the WikiManager.delete() method.

I have keeped them because it is used in the descriptors implementation of Vincent. But I agree that it is weird to have it in the API.

...

4) Don`t use implementation details. Improve the interface (API) if there is information you`re missing:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I disagree. In this code, I need to have the document related to the descriptor. It depends on the current implementation, because we can imagine an implementation where the descriptors are not stored in the wiki. So I won't add a getDocument() in the API, but I need it in my implementation.

...

5) DefaultWikiManager.createDescritptor Since you have a WikiDescriptorBuilder class, maybe that is where the logic of creating/building the descriptor's details (objects, document) and where the logic of extracting the document name from wiki name and viceversa should be located.

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I agree, I will move that code into WikiDescriptorBuilder.

...

6) DefaultWikiManager.getByWikiId Again seeing the logic of wikiID-to-document. It should be located in a single place and not spread in multiple places. Use a method of the WikiManager class or of the DescriptorBuilder class.

OK.

...

7) WikiManagerScriptService: - deleteWiki: Why do you need Admin right to delete a wiki when you did not need it in order to create it? That`s bad. We should probably have a deleteWiki right as well.

It is a temporary solution in my implementation. The problem is: who has the right to remove a wiki ? - his owner? But we don't have the notion of owner in this API. It belongs to the wiki-users module to handle this concept. - someone who has the CREATE_WIKI right? That means every person who has the CREATE_WIKI right can also delete any existing wiki? - someone who as the DELETE_WIKI right? Why not, but we need to make a vote for adding this new right.

So, in my first implementation, I have used the admin right.

...

Also, consider the workspaces use case when user create and delete wikis/workspaces when they want to and when they are done with them.

To me, it belongs to the future wiki-user module.

...

- context key for exceptions "lastexception2" is not the best of choices. Try something like "wikiException" instead, or even just "lastexception" like it was before (if we consider this as a best practice). What's the reason for "lastexception2"?

It's a bad commit. I have setted this name for debugging reason.

...

As a general note, I fail to see the added value of this module at this point. I mean, the whole point was to have both the functionality of WikiManager and Workspaces. I get it that it's a work in progress and that it's at the first stages, but you need to touch those points before it becomes relevant. Not that it's bad, just that it's not much there to see at this point.

The idea is to split in different simple modules, that enable us to easily add a new feature or to depends on a module without depending on the whole core. I try to reduce the dependencies while I design the modules.

...

Hope this helps, Eduard

Thanks Eduard!

Louis-Marie

...

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Hi.

In this thread, I want to propose you the tiniest API that we need to handle multiwiki. All other features (users, templates, workspaces...) will be on other modules, because I think it is better for the extensibility.

The new module will be based on the xwiki-platform-wiki-descriptor-api module, that I will rename to xwiki-platform-wiki-api. The WikiDescriptorManager becomes WikiManager and handle both descriptors and databases.

This API will permit: * to create a wiki * to remove a wiki * to list all wikis (returning a list of descriptors) * ...

You can see the code of that proposal there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

The most important is to decide what the API must look like. The implementation can still be modified afterwards.

I hope you like it,

Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

_______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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-- Thomas Mortagne

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

What I propose for the extensibility:

- anyone can extends the Wiki class. - each module will have its own XWikiServerClassDocumentInitializer, that add custom fields into the XWikiServerClass document. - the minimal XWikiServerClassDocumentInitializer will only contain a few fields.

That's not extension. I was expecting a generic way to access and modify descriptor properties. The "extensions" you are talking about are going to be completely independents modules that directly manipulate xobjects and they will have to provide their own complete API, do there own caching of descriptors etc, extending Wiki class is pretty useless for them.

2013/10/7 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com>

...

Before writing extensions the API need to be extensible and we don't see it in your current API ;) This needs to be there before validating this API.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Thanks to your advices (Eddy and Thomas), I propose you a clean version:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

I have only changed the API, not the implementation.

I think it starts to be clean.

2013/10/7 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

Hi Eddy.

First, thanks for your answer.

2013/10/7 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

...

Hi Guilllaume,

1) What is the point of the WikiDescriptorAlias class if it just holds

and

...

...

...

returns a string?

...

Also, the only method in the WikiDescriptorManager that works with aliases accepts a String instead of the WikiDescriptorAlias class, so this means that the class is useless:

WikiDescriptor getByWikiAlias(String wikiAlias) throws WikiManagerException;

I did not really think about it, I just take the work done by Vincent on wiki descriptors.

...

2) WikiManager:

The methods wikiIdExists and and isWikiIdAvailable do the same thing, they just call it differently. Use only one, like wikiExists().

I should have added the javadoc about that. This is what I have in mind : - wikiExists(String wikiOd) as you said - wikiAvailable(String wikiId) that checks if the wiki id is valid and free (that means that there is no existing database with that name -- not necessary related to XWiki).

It is not implemented yet.

...

Also, since it's a WikiManager, so the "wiki" part is in the name of

the

...

class, we get it that it deals with wikis. You could remove the "wiki" part from method names, like: - create instead of createWiki - delete instead of deleteWiki - exists instead of existsWiki - so on...

I agree. I'll change it ;)

...

Note on the naming of methods: I`ve noticed a rather annoying thing in the way the methods are named.

So

...

you have a class that is say... WikiDescriptor.

Indeed, but a Wiki class would not contain something else than a descriptor. I don't know what to do. Renaming WikiDescriptor to Wiki?

...

3) WikiManager:

What is the point of these 2 methods?

void setDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

void removeDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

Looking at the implementation, I see that you`re handling descriptors (setting/deleting) whithout corelating it to the wikis. I mean, if you remove a descriptor, then you must remove the wiki too, and that is the task of the WikiManager.delete() method.

I have keeped them because it is used in the descriptors implementation of Vincent. But I agree that it is weird to have it in the API.

...

4) Don`t use implementation details. Improve the interface (API) if

there

...

is information you`re missing:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

I disagree. In this code, I need to have the document related to the descriptor. It depends on the current implementation, because we can imagine an implementation where the descriptors are not stored in the wiki. So I won't add a getDocument() in the API, but I need it in my implementation.

...

5) DefaultWikiManager.createDescritptor Since you have a WikiDescriptorBuilder class, maybe that is where the logic of creating/building the descriptor's details (objects, document) and where the logic of extracting the document name from wiki name and viceversa should be located.

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

I agree, I will move that code into WikiDescriptorBuilder.

...

6) DefaultWikiManager.getByWikiId Again seeing the logic of wikiID-to-document. It should be located in a single place and not spread in multiple places. Use a method of the WikiManager class or of the DescriptorBuilder class.

OK.

...

7) WikiManagerScriptService: - deleteWiki: Why do you need Admin right to delete a wiki when you did not need it in order to create it? That`s bad. We should probably have a deleteWiki right as well.

It is a temporary solution in my implementation. The problem is: who has the right to remove a wiki ? - his owner? But we don't have the notion of owner in this API. It belongs to the wiki-users module to handle this concept. - someone who has the CREATE_WIKI right? That means every person who has the CREATE_WIKI right can also delete any existing wiki? - someone who as the DELETE_WIKI right? Why not, but we need to make a vote for adding this new right.

So, in my first implementation, I have used the admin right.

...

Also, consider the workspaces use case when user create and delete wikis/workspaces when they want to and when they are done with them.

To me, it belongs to the future wiki-user module.

...

- context key for exceptions "lastexception2" is not the best of choices. Try something like "wikiException" instead, or even just "lastexception" like it was before (if we consider this as a best practice). What's the reason for "lastexception2"?

It's a bad commit. I have setted this name for debugging reason.

...

As a general note, I fail to see the added value of this module at this point. I mean, the whole point was to have both the functionality of WikiManager and Workspaces. I get it that it's a work in progress and

that

...

it's at the first stages, but you need to touch those points before it becomes relevant. Not that it's bad, just that it's not much there to see at this point.

The idea is to split in different simple modules, that enable us to easily add a new feature or to depends on a module without depending on the whole core. I try to reduce the dependencies while I design the modules.

...

Hope this helps, Eduard

Thanks Eduard!

Louis-Marie

...

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Hi.

In this thread, I want to propose you the tiniest API that we need to handle multiwiki. All other features (users, templates,

workspaces...)

...

will

...

be on other modules, because I think it is better for the extensibility.

The new module will be based on the xwiki-platform-wiki-descriptor-api module, that I will rename to xwiki-platform-wiki-api. The WikiDescriptorManager becomes WikiManager and handle both descriptors and databases.

This API will permit: * to create a wiki * to remove a wiki * to list all wikis (returning a list of descriptors) * ...

You can see the code of that proposal there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

...

The most important is to decide what the API must look like. The implementation can still be modified afterwards.

I hope you like it,

Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

_______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

_______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

-- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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-- Thomas Mortagne

First of all, you should probably come up with some plausible use cases for extending this API and then build it with them in mind. Maybe I`ve missed some discussions, but right now I just don`t see it. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

I can add the possibility to have custom data stored in a map. But how should we store it in the wiki?

2013/10/7 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com>

...

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

What I propose for the extensibility:

- anyone can extends the Wiki class. - each module will have its own XWikiServerClassDocumentInitializer, that add custom fields into the XWikiServerClass document. - the minimal XWikiServerClassDocumentInitializer will only contain a few fields.

That's not extension. I was expecting a generic way to access and modify descriptor properties. The "extensions" you are talking about are going to be completely independents modules that directly manipulate xobjects and they will have to provide their own complete API, do there own caching of descriptors etc, extending Wiki class is pretty useless for them.

...

2013/10/7 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com>

...

Before writing extensions the API need to be extensible and we don't see it in your current API ;) This needs to be there before validating this API.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Thanks to your advices (Eddy and Thomas), I propose you a clean

version:

...

...

...

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

...

...

...

I have only changed the API, not the implementation.

I think it starts to be clean.

2013/10/7 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

Hi Eddy.

First, thanks for your answer.

2013/10/7 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

> Hi Guilllaume, > > 1) What is the point of the WikiDescriptorAlias class if it just

holds and

...

...

> returns a string? >

> Also, the only method in the WikiDescriptorManager that works with aliases > accepts a String instead of the WikiDescriptorAlias class, so this means > that the class is useless: > > WikiDescriptor getByWikiAlias(String wikiAlias) throws > WikiManagerException; >

I did not really think about it, I just take the work done by Vincent on wiki descriptors.

> 2) WikiManager: > > The methods wikiIdExists and and isWikiIdAvailable do the same thing, they > just call it differently. Use only one, like wikiExists(). >

I should have added the javadoc about that. This is what I have in mind : - wikiExists(String wikiOd) as you said - wikiAvailable(String wikiId) that checks if the wiki id is valid and free (that means that there is no existing database with that name -- not necessary related to XWiki).

It is not implemented yet.

> > Also, since it's a WikiManager, so the "wiki" part is in the name of the > class, we get it that it deals with wikis. You could remove the "wiki" > part > from method names, like: > - create instead of createWiki > - delete instead of deleteWiki > - exists instead of existsWiki > - so on... >

I agree. I'll change it ;)

> > Note on the naming of methods: > I`ve noticed a rather annoying thing in the way the methods are named. So > you have a class that is say... WikiDescriptor. >

Indeed, but a Wiki class would not contain something else than a descriptor. I don't know what to do. Renaming WikiDescriptor to Wiki?

> > 3) WikiManager: > > What is the point of these 2 methods? > > void setDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor); > > void removeDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor); > > Looking at the implementation, I see that you`re handling descriptors > (setting/deleting) whithout corelating it to the wikis. I mean, if you > remove a descriptor, then you must remove the wiki too, and that is the > task of the WikiManager.delete() method. >

I have keeped them because it is used in the descriptors implementation of Vincent. But I agree that it is weird to have it in the API.

> > 4) Don`t use implementation details. Improve the interface (API) if there > is information you`re missing: > >

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

...

...

...

...

>

I disagree. In this code, I need to have the document related to the descriptor. It depends on the current implementation, because we can imagine an implementation where the descriptors are not stored in the wiki. So I won't add a getDocument() in the API, but I need it in my implementation.

> > 5) DefaultWikiManager.createDescritptor > Since you have a WikiDescriptorBuilder class, maybe that is where the > logic > of creating/building the descriptor's details (objects, document) and > where > the logic of extracting the document name from wiki name and viceversa > should be located. > >

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

...

...

...

...

>

I agree, I will move that code into WikiDescriptorBuilder.

> > 6) DefaultWikiManager.getByWikiId > Again seeing the logic of wikiID-to-document. It should be located in a > single place and not spread in multiple places. Use a method of the > WikiManager class or of the DescriptorBuilder class. >

OK.

> > 7) WikiManagerScriptService: > - deleteWiki: Why do you need Admin right to delete a wiki when you did > not > need it in order to create it? That`s bad. We should probably have a > deleteWiki right as well.

It is a temporary solution in my implementation. The problem is: who has the right to remove a wiki ? - his owner? But we don't have the notion of owner in this API. It belongs to the wiki-users module to handle this concept. - someone who has the CREATE_WIKI right? That means every person who has the CREATE_WIKI right can also delete any existing wiki? - someone who as the DELETE_WIKI right? Why not, but we need to make a vote for adding this new right.

So, in my first implementation, I have used the admin right.

> Also, consider the workspaces use case when user > create and delete wikis/workspaces when they want to and when they are > done > with them. >

To me, it belongs to the future wiki-user module.

> - context key for exceptions "lastexception2" is not the best of choices. > Try something like "wikiException" instead, or even just "lastexception" > like it was before (if we consider this as a best practice). What's the > reason for "lastexception2"? > > It's a bad commit. I have setted this name for debugging reason.

> > As a general note, I fail to see the added value of this module at this > point. I mean, the whole point was to have both the functionality of > WikiManager and Workspaces. I get it that it's a work in progress and that > it's at the first stages, but you need to touch those points before it > becomes relevant. Not that it's bad, just that it's not much there to see > at this point. >

The idea is to split in different simple modules, that enable us to easily add a new feature or to depends on a module without depending on the whole core. I try to reduce the dependencies while I design the modules.

> > Hope this helps, > Eduard > > Thanks Eduard!

Louis-Marie

> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > In this thread, I want to propose you the tiniest API that we need to > > handle multiwiki. All other features (users, templates, workspaces...) > will > > be on other modules, because I think it is better for the extensibility. > > > > The new module will be based on the xwiki-platform-wiki-descriptor-api > > module, that I will rename to xwiki-platform-wiki-api. The > > WikiDescriptorManager becomes WikiManager and handle both descriptors > and > > databases. > > > > This API will permit: > > * to create a wiki > > * to remove a wiki > > * to list all wikis (returning a list of descriptors) > > * ... > > > > You can see the code of that proposal there: > > > > >

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi Guillaume,

I also don't see the point of a typed WikiAlias for now and in Wiki#getWikiId() the "Wiki" is redundant. Why not simply Wiki#getId() and Wiki#getAlias()?

And what is the difference between 'wikiAlias' and 'descriptorAliases' (no javadoc)? If a wiki can have multiple aliases then why not keep just a list and handle the first item differently if needed (like ServletRequest#getParameter() vs. ServletRequest#getParameterValues()).

Same for me, this does not make much sense. The wiki has a list of aliases and the URL factory happen to use the first one. Either you keep only the list of you rename wikiAlias into default alias to be extra safe on what should be used when generating a URL but in all cases the list should contain all aliases, the default/first one included.

In WikiManager#getAll() javadoc I see "(except the main one)".Is this the only method that must treat (by contract) the main wiki differently? How do getById() and exists() behave for instance regarding the main wiki?

The javadoc on an interface / API is very important as it indicates what the implementation should do. So it must state very clear any special use cases.

+1 the most important is the Javadoc, you would probably get less questions ;)

Hope this helps, Marius

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Thanks to your advices (Eddy and Thomas), I propose you a clean version: https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I have only changed the API, not the implementation.

I think it starts to be clean.

2013/10/7 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

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Hi Eddy.

First, thanks for your answer.

2013/10/7 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

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Hi Guilllaume,

1) What is the point of the WikiDescriptorAlias class if it just holds and returns a string?

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Also, the only method in the WikiDescriptorManager that works with aliases accepts a String instead of the WikiDescriptorAlias class, so this means that the class is useless:

WikiDescriptor getByWikiAlias(String wikiAlias) throws WikiManagerException;

I did not really think about it, I just take the work done by Vincent on wiki descriptors.

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2) WikiManager:

The methods wikiIdExists and and isWikiIdAvailable do the same thing, they just call it differently. Use only one, like wikiExists().

I should have added the javadoc about that. This is what I have in mind : - wikiExists(String wikiOd) as you said - wikiAvailable(String wikiId) that checks if the wiki id is valid and free (that means that there is no existing database with that name -- not necessary related to XWiki).

It is not implemented yet.

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Also, since it's a WikiManager, so the "wiki" part is in the name of the class, we get it that it deals with wikis. You could remove the "wiki" part from method names, like: - create instead of createWiki - delete instead of deleteWiki - exists instead of existsWiki - so on...

I agree. I'll change it ;)

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Note on the naming of methods: I`ve noticed a rather annoying thing in the way the methods are named. So you have a class that is say... WikiDescriptor.

Indeed, but a Wiki class would not contain something else than a descriptor. I don't know what to do. Renaming WikiDescriptor to Wiki?

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3) WikiManager:

What is the point of these 2 methods?

void setDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

void removeDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

Looking at the implementation, I see that you`re handling descriptors (setting/deleting) whithout corelating it to the wikis. I mean, if you remove a descriptor, then you must remove the wiki too, and that is the task of the WikiManager.delete() method.

I have keeped them because it is used in the descriptors implementation of Vincent. But I agree that it is weird to have it in the API.

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4) Don`t use implementation details. Improve the interface (API) if there is information you`re missing:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I disagree. In this code, I need to have the document related to the descriptor. It depends on the current implementation, because we can imagine an implementation where the descriptors are not stored in the wiki. So I won't add a getDocument() in the API, but I need it in my implementation.

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5) DefaultWikiManager.createDescritptor Since you have a WikiDescriptorBuilder class, maybe that is where the logic of creating/building the descriptor's details (objects, document) and where the logic of extracting the document name from wiki name and viceversa should be located.

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

I agree, I will move that code into WikiDescriptorBuilder.

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6) DefaultWikiManager.getByWikiId Again seeing the logic of wikiID-to-document. It should be located in a single place and not spread in multiple places. Use a method of the WikiManager class or of the DescriptorBuilder class.

OK.

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7) WikiManagerScriptService: - deleteWiki: Why do you need Admin right to delete a wiki when you did not need it in order to create it? That`s bad. We should probably have a deleteWiki right as well.

It is a temporary solution in my implementation. The problem is: who has the right to remove a wiki ? - his owner? But we don't have the notion of owner in this API. It belongs to the wiki-users module to handle this concept. - someone who has the CREATE_WIKI right? That means every person who has the CREATE_WIKI right can also delete any existing wiki? - someone who as the DELETE_WIKI right? Why not, but we need to make a vote for adding this new right.

So, in my first implementation, I have used the admin right.

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Also, consider the workspaces use case when user create and delete wikis/workspaces when they want to and when they are done with them.

To me, it belongs to the future wiki-user module.

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- context key for exceptions "lastexception2" is not the best of choices. Try something like "wikiException" instead, or even just "lastexception" like it was before (if we consider this as a best practice). What's the reason for "lastexception2"?

It's a bad commit. I have setted this name for debugging reason.

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As a general note, I fail to see the added value of this module at this point. I mean, the whole point was to have both the functionality of WikiManager and Workspaces. I get it that it's a work in progress and that it's at the first stages, but you need to touch those points before it becomes relevant. Not that it's bad, just that it's not much there to see at this point.

The idea is to split in different simple modules, that enable us to easily add a new feature or to depends on a module without depending on the whole core. I try to reduce the dependencies while I design the modules.

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Hope this helps, Eduard

Thanks Eduard!

Louis-Marie

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Hi.

In this thread, I want to propose you the tiniest API that we need to handle multiwiki. All other features (users, templates, workspaces...) will be on other modules, because I think it is better for the extensibility.

The new module will be based on the xwiki-platform-wiki-descriptor-api module, that I will rename to xwiki-platform-wiki-api. The WikiDescriptorManager becomes WikiManager and handle both descriptors and databases.

This API will permit: * to create a wiki * to remove a wiki * to list all wikis (returning a list of descriptors) * ...

You can see the code of that proposal there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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The most important is to decide what the API must look like. The implementation can still be modified afterwards.

I hope you like it,

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Hi, On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

Thanks for all your answers.

I continue to iterate until we reach something nice. You can see the work there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/feature-wiki-properties-gr...

I think my mistakes until now was the fact that I didn't want to deviate too much from the wiki-descriptor module of Vincent. But now, I understand it is better to make something new.

Now, the API has a complete javadoc.

= Modularity = == Reduce responsibility ==

The first advantage of creating several modules is to reduce the responsibility of each module. I want one API to handle the wiki creation and basic management, one API for the template feature (which could be optional as soon as we have flavors),

This transition will most certainly require some considerable refactoring and possibly some method deprecating, for which we already have a strategy, at least for the workspaces UI. Basically, you`d right now be using a $services.wiki.createWiki('newWiki') to create the wiki followed by a $services.wikiTemplate.apply('someWikiTemplateName', 'newWiki') to initialize the wiki with content. When we`d have flavours, you`d probably follow the creation step with a $services.extension.install('someFlavourExtensionID', 'newWiki') to initialize the wiki with the content of a flavour extension. We`d probably also want to keep the option of importing the content from a XAR, so that might be a option too. So this wikiTemplate service would probably contain some methods like: - create/convert (since the argument would probably be a wikiID to mark as template. The content of that wiki would have previously be initialized from an extension of from a XAR) - list/getAll (wikis marked as templates) - delete/revert (remove the template mark, resulting in a regular wiki once again) - isTemplate (wikiID) - apply (as seen above, copy the content to an empty wiki) Side Note1: It could get a bit ugly fast when having to list wikis. What do you do with templates? What do users see, what do admins see if you plan to have a single view(UI) for everything? Probably 2 UIs would fit best (similar to what we have not with WikiManagerUI and WorkspacesUI). The WikiManager part would probably go in the main wiki's administration (for admins) and the WorkspacesUI part would be in the main wiki's WikiIndex (for users). Side Note2: While thinking about templates, I thought that we might need some "copy" and "rename" methods for the WikiManager API, since they might operations that the user might want to perform without having to use templates or some other weird operations. and one API for the ability to

manager users (both the farm and the workspaces use-cases).

Do you mean operations like: - join - leave - invite - acceptInvitation - cancelInvitation - getMembers - isMember - etc, all the stuff that it's now written as velocity code in the workspaces-ui pages? If so, than this could be indeed a useful script service to lighten up the velocity pages that are full of duplicate code. However, for the farm use case I don`t see any applications of this service, since the farm use case would be using the same tools that are currently available to the main wiki. I think it's a

good thing to avoid creating a new oldcore. I know this module is too simple yet to be comparable with oldcore, but I try to design things in this way.

== Reduce dependencies ==

The second advantage, is that I try to reduce the dependencies for each module. That means, if a module only needs the list of wikis (and a lot of modules needs it), they won't have plenty of dependencies.

For example, the extension manager needs the list of all wikis, but doesn't care about theirs users, the templates, etc... So it does not need to depend on the users module, etc...

== About WikiPropertiesGroup ==

The idea behind this new class is to easily add custom properties in the descriptor for new modules. Each module provides its own WikiPropertiesGroupProvider that load and save custom properties for the wiki. Then, it would be easy to get a property: wikiDescriptor.get("template").get("isTemplate") or (in velocity) $wikiDescriptor.template.isTemplate. But we can also create typed wrappers that access to theses properties.

Care to provide other (practical) examples of where such properties might be useful?

Actually, in the WikiManager, we have a cache that avoid to look at the database every time a module needs a descriptor. By using theses properties groups, we can extend what a descriptor is and make good use of the cache without re-implementing it in every modules.

= Misc = * I have replace getByWikiId() by getById() and so on... * getAll() will now return the main wiki as well. * Aliases are now normal string, and the default alias is stored in the same list than the other alias. * WikiDescriptor is now the name used, not "Wiki". * I have added an hidden field in the descriptor. * I have added an ownerId field in the descriptor. * I have added a main page field in the descriptor. * We may need a WikiManager#getMainWiki(), WDYT?

We have $xcontext.mainWikiName that we use everywhere. Maybe it won`t hurt to have a "cleaner" way of getting the main wiki's descriptor/name without relying on the deprecated XWikiContext. Thanks, Eduard P.S.: Excuse my rant above on technical details/API. In the absence of better details, I had to imagine/picture it for myself to better understand what you meant :) * There is no implementation for all of this, right now, I'm waiting for

the API to be defined.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/8 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com>

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On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Hi Guillaume,

I also don't see the point of a typed WikiAlias for now and in Wiki#getWikiId() the "Wiki" is redundant. Why not simply Wiki#getId() and Wiki#getAlias()?

...

And what is the difference between 'wikiAlias' and 'descriptorAliases' (no javadoc)? If a wiki can have multiple aliases then why not keep just a list and handle the first item differently if needed (like ServletRequest#getParameter() vs. ServletRequest#getParameterValues()).

Same for me, this does not make much sense. The wiki has a list of aliases and the URL factory happen to use the first one. Either you keep only the list of you rename wikiAlias into default alias to be extra safe on what should be used when generating a URL but in all cases the list should contain all aliases, the default/first one included.

...

In WikiManager#getAll() javadoc I see "(except the main one)".Is this the only method that must treat (by contract) the main wiki differently? How do getById() and exists() behave for instance regarding the main wiki?

...

The javadoc on an interface / API is very important as it indicates what the implementation should do. So it must state very clear any special use cases.

+1 the most important is the Javadoc, you would probably get less questions ;)

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Hope this helps, Marius

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Thanks to your advices (Eddy and Thomas), I propose you a clean

version:

...

...

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

...

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I have only changed the API, not the implementation.

I think it starts to be clean.

2013/10/7 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

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Hi Eddy.

First, thanks for your answer.

2013/10/7 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

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Hi Guilllaume,

1) What is the point of the WikiDescriptorAlias class if it just

holds and

...

...

...

returns a string?

...

Also, the only method in the WikiDescriptorManager that works with aliases accepts a String instead of the WikiDescriptorAlias class, so this means that the class is useless:

WikiDescriptor getByWikiAlias(String wikiAlias) throws WikiManagerException;

I did not really think about it, I just take the work done by Vincent on wiki descriptors.

...

2) WikiManager:

The methods wikiIdExists and and isWikiIdAvailable do the same thing, they just call it differently. Use only one, like wikiExists().

I should have added the javadoc about that. This is what I have in mind : - wikiExists(String wikiOd) as you said - wikiAvailable(String wikiId) that checks if the wiki id is valid and free (that means that there is no existing database with that name -- not necessary related to XWiki).

It is not implemented yet.

...

Also, since it's a WikiManager, so the "wiki" part is in the name of

the

...

class, we get it that it deals with wikis. You could remove the "wiki" part from method names, like: - create instead of createWiki - delete instead of deleteWiki - exists instead of existsWiki - so on...

I agree. I'll change it ;)

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Note on the naming of methods: I`ve noticed a rather annoying thing in the way the methods are

named. So

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you have a class that is say... WikiDescriptor.

Indeed, but a Wiki class would not contain something else than a descriptor. I don't know what to do. Renaming WikiDescriptor to Wiki?

...

3) WikiManager:

What is the point of these 2 methods?

void setDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

void removeDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

Looking at the implementation, I see that you`re handling

descriptors

...

(setting/deleting) whithout corelating it to the wikis. I mean, if you remove a descriptor, then you must remove the wiki too, and that is the task of the WikiManager.delete() method.

I have keeped them because it is used in the descriptors implementation of Vincent. But I agree that it is weird to have it in the API.

...

4) Don`t use implementation details. Improve the interface (API) if

there

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is information you`re missing:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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I disagree. In this code, I need to have the document related to the descriptor. It depends on the current implementation, because we can imagine an implementation where the descriptors are not stored in the wiki. So I won't add a getDocument() in the API, but I need it in my implementation.

...

5) DefaultWikiManager.createDescritptor Since you have a WikiDescriptorBuilder class, maybe that is where

the

...

logic of creating/building the descriptor's details (objects, document) and where the logic of extracting the document name from wiki name and viceversa should be located.

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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I agree, I will move that code into WikiDescriptorBuilder.

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6) DefaultWikiManager.getByWikiId Again seeing the logic of wikiID-to-document. It should be located

in a

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single place and not spread in multiple places. Use a method of the WikiManager class or of the DescriptorBuilder class.

OK.

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7) WikiManagerScriptService: - deleteWiki: Why do you need Admin right to delete a wiki when you

did

...

not need it in order to create it? That`s bad. We should probably have a deleteWiki right as well.

It is a temporary solution in my implementation. The problem is: who has the right to remove a wiki ? - his owner? But we don't have the notion of owner in this API. It belongs to the wiki-users module to handle this concept. - someone who has the CREATE_WIKI right? That means every person who has the CREATE_WIKI right can also delete any existing wiki? - someone who as the DELETE_WIKI right? Why not, but we need to make a vote for adding this new right.

So, in my first implementation, I have used the admin right.

...

Also, consider the workspaces use case when user create and delete wikis/workspaces when they want to and when they are done with them.

To me, it belongs to the future wiki-user module.

...

- context key for exceptions "lastexception2" is not the best of choices. Try something like "wikiException" instead, or even just "lastexception" like it was before (if we consider this as a best practice). What's the reason for "lastexception2"?

It's a bad commit. I have setted this name for debugging reason.

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As a general note, I fail to see the added value of this module at

this

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point. I mean, the whole point was to have both the functionality of WikiManager and Workspaces. I get it that it's a work in progress and that it's at the first stages, but you need to touch those points before it becomes relevant. Not that it's bad, just that it's not much there to see at this point.

The idea is to split in different simple modules, that enable us to easily add a new feature or to depends on a module without depending on the whole core. I try to reduce the dependencies while I design the modules.

...

Hope this helps, Eduard

Thanks Eduard!

Louis-Marie

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

> Hi. > > In this thread, I want to propose you the tiniest API that we need

to

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> handle multiwiki. All other features (users, templates, workspaces...) will > be on other modules, because I think it is better for the extensibility. > > The new module will be based on the xwiki-platform-wiki-descriptor-api > module, that I will rename to xwiki-platform-wiki-api. The > WikiDescriptorManager becomes WikiManager and handle both descriptors and > databases. > > This API will permit: > * to create a wiki > * to remove a wiki > * to list all wikis (returning a list of descriptors) > * ... > > You can see the code of that proposal there: > >

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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> > The most important is to decide what the API must look like. The > implementation can still be modified afterwards. > > I hope you like it, > > Louis-Marie > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Hi, On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi Eduard,

2013/10/9 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

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Hi,

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Thanks for all your answers.

I continue to iterate until we reach something nice. You can see the work there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/feature-wiki-properties-gr...

Side note: I`ve noticed that you have 2 branches where you work, both feature-wiki-properties-group that you`ve linked to now and new-wiki-api that you`ve linked to in the initial post. Please use only one since it`s already quite confusing and hard to follow.

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I think my mistakes until now was the fact that I didn't want to

deviate

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too much from the wiki-descriptor module of Vincent. But now, I understand it is better to make something new.

Now, the API has a complete javadoc.

= Modularity = == Reduce responsibility ==

The first advantage of creating several modules is to reduce the responsibility of each module. I want one API to handle the wiki creation and basic management, one API for the template feature (which could be optional as soon as we have flavors),

This transition will most certainly require some considerable refactoring and possibly some method deprecating, for which we already have a strategy, at least for the workspaces UI.

Currently, the workspaces UI is a kind of a hack. WorkspaceManager.Install create a new template where we install a standard XAR UI + Workspace Template Feature (that overwrites some standard pages) + delete some pages that we don't need, etc... It forces us to ask the user to create workspacetemplate first, it does not work out of the box.

Neither does wiki manager work out of the box. The current technical limitations require that the user first creates a template wiki that is used in the creation of new wikis/workspaces.

And we need to have 2 distinct XARs to handle the 2 use-cases: farm and workspaces. It is definitively not clean.

When talking with Vincent about this, we decided that it would be better to create a unique XAR that handle the 2 use-cases.

But again, this does not fix the "out-of-the-box" issue.

It will just look at the wiki configuration to know if we have local users or not, what is the membership type of the wiki, etc...

The idea was that an admin could come with his own customized XAR that would then be "adapted" to be used as a workspace template, if the admin did not already do that. It was not desired that the user be limited to the standard XE xar, since that would have been rather easy to implement and automatically "install".

So, I apologize to not having talk here about that. I think that we should, indeed, refactor a lot of things to have a very clean multiwiki feature in 5.3.

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Basically, you`d right now be using a

$services.wiki.createWiki('newWiki')

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to create the wiki followed by a $services.wikiTemplate.apply('someWikiTemplateName', 'newWiki') to initialize the wiki with content. When we`d have flavours, you`d probably follow the creation step with a $services.extension.install('someFlavourExtensionID', 'newWiki') to initialize the wiki with the content of a flavour extension. We`d probably also want to keep the option of importing the content from a XAR, so that might be a option too.

So this wikiTemplate service would probably contain some methods like: - create/convert (since the argument would probably be a wikiID to mark as template. The content of that wiki would have previously be initialized from an extension of from a XAR)

I have proposed setTemplate(boolean template);

Maybe setTemplate(String wikiID) as in, $services.wikiTemplate.setTemplate('someWiki') ...or even setTemplate(String wikiID, boolean isTemplate) to avoid having a second removeTemplate(String wikiID) method.

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- list/getAll (wikis marked as templates) - delete/revert (remove the template mark, resulting in a regular wiki once again) - isTemplate (wikiID) - apply (as seen above, copy the content to an empty wiki)

I was thinking about createWikiFromTemplate() instead, but maybe it does not provide enough flexibility.

Didn`t you mention something earlier about separation of concerns? :)

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Side Note1: It could get a bit ugly fast when having to list wikis. What

do

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you do with templates? What do users see, what do admins see if you plan to have a single view(UI) for everything? Probably 2 UIs would fit best (similar to what we have not with WikiManagerUI and WorkspacesUI). The WikiManager part would probably go in the main wiki's administration (for admins) and the WorkspacesUI part would be in the main wiki's WikiIndex (for users).

That is an interesting question. I did not think that much about the UI until now. I wanted to have a clean API first.

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Side Note2: While thinking about templates, I thought that we might need some "copy" and "rename" methods for the WikiManager API, since they

might

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operations that the user might want to perform without having to use templates or some other weird operations.

- Rename would be hard to implement (copy the wiki and delete it?)

No, just rename the database and the descriptor. Is there any limitation to that?

- What "copy a wiki" means? Should we copy the history of every pages too? Should we copy the recycle bin? I did not want to provide a copy feature because of these questions. The template feature actually does a copy operation but with its own opinion concerning this aspects : no history copied, no recycle bin.

1-to-1 copy of the source wiki. This means everything. Sure, there might be some applications that use custom mapping and add some tables to the source database that might not be copied in the process. But, if we have no way of detecting and copying this data, I think it's not a bit problem. History and recycle bin are core notions of which we have full control so they should not be an issue. Anyway, since we`re reviewing these processes and thinking about them now, maybe we should do it right. Copy and Rename are basic operations that should not miss from any data model. We should *at least* include them in the API and implement them when time allows (and expose them in the UI when implemented). It would be a shame to have yet another half baked API.

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and one API for the ability to

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manager users (both the farm and the workspaces use-cases).

Do you mean operations like: - join - leave - invite - acceptInvitation - cancelInvitation - getMembers - isMember - etc, all the stuff that it's now written as velocity code in the workspaces-ui pages?

If so, than this could be indeed a useful script service to lighten up

the

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I think it's the only way to have a clean code, and will probably make it easier to have only 1 XAR for the 2 use-cases.

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However, for the farm use case I don`t see any applications of this service, since the farm use case would be using the same tools that are currently available to the main wiki.

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The second advantage, is that I try to reduce the dependencies for each module. That means, if a module only needs the list of wikis (and a lot of modules needs it), they won't have plenty of dependencies.

For example, the extension manager needs the list of all wikis, but doesn't care about theirs users, the templates, etc... So it does not need to depend on the users module, etc...

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The idea behind this new class is to easily add custom properties in the descriptor for new modules. Each module provides its own WikiPropertiesGroupProvider that load and save custom properties for the wiki. Then, it would be easy to get a property: wikiDescriptor.get("template").get("isTemplate") or (in velocity) $wikiDescriptor.template.isTemplate. But we can also create typed wrappers that access to theses properties.

Care to provide other (practical) examples of where such properties might be useful?

Imagine a new Activity Stream that needs to store information about each wiki, like "the main AS should index the events of this wiki" or "users of that wiki can send a message to main users", etc... Where AS should store this information? WikiPropertyGroup is good for that.

The membership type and the "enable local users" could be stored there too.

Ludo told me that clients would like to disable extension manager in (sub)wiki, or to restrict it to main admins only. If we decide to implement this, we could store the EM configuration in the property groups...

I think it is easy to implement and could be very useful for a lot of use-cases that we don't even imagine yet. In my opinion, having this flexibility can not be bad.

Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these WikiPropertyGroups being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the task of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before returning it to the caller. You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the code, I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so it is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where applications might store and read information/properties **about** the wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of physically storing the value in the location where that group's properties are physically stored. It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to wikis. It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re storing stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on. Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but targeted on certain entities (wikis, users, etc) https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-... ...however, what I don`t like about ConfigurationSource is that it is ReadOnly. Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic solution. WDYT?

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without re-implementing it in every modules.

= Misc = * I have replace getByWikiId() by getById() and so on... * getAll() will now return the main wiki as well. * Aliases are now normal string, and the default alias is stored in the same list than the other alias. * WikiDescriptor is now the name used, not "Wiki". * I have added an hidden field in the descriptor. * I have added an ownerId field in the descriptor. * I have added a main page field in the descriptor. * We may need a WikiManager#getMainWiki(), WDYT?

We have $xcontext.mainWikiName that we use everywhere. Maybe it won`t hurt to have a "cleaner" way of getting the main wiki's descriptor/name without relying on the deprecated XWikiContext.

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Thanks, Eduard

P.S.: Excuse my rant above on technical details/API. In the absence of better details, I had to imagine/picture it for myself to better understand what you meant :)

I am new to this way of working. I am used to work alone, and for very specific use cases. I try to improve my communication.

It is not very easy, because some peoples suggest me something while others advise me the opposite!

One solution would be to use a common communication channel, like the mailing list, instead of 1-to-1 talks. This way suggestions can be discussed and evaluated, mine included :) And, as usual, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and make the decision for yourself instead of waiting forever for answers/solutions from the list/someone. Things can always be improved in future iterations, but having nothing to show is never a good thing :) -Eduard

Thanks for your concern,

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Thanks, Louis-Marie

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I also don't see the point of a typed WikiAlias for now and in Wiki#getWikiId() the "Wiki" is redundant. Why not simply

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And what is the difference between 'wikiAlias' and 'descriptorAliases' (no javadoc)? If a wiki can have multiple aliases then why not keep just a list and handle the first item differently if needed (like ServletRequest#getParameter() vs. ServletRequest#getParameterValues()).

Same for me, this does not make much sense. The wiki has a list of aliases and the URL factory happen to use the first one. Either you keep only the list of you rename wikiAlias into default alias to be extra safe on what should be used when generating a URL but in all cases the list should contain all aliases, the default/first one included.

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I have only changed the API, not the implementation.

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Hi, On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi Edy

2013/10/11 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Hi Eduard,

2013/10/9 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

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Hi,

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Thanks for all your answers.

I continue to iterate until we reach something nice. You can see the work there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/feature-wiki-properties-gr...

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Side note: I`ve noticed that you have 2 branches where you work, both feature-wiki-properties-group that you`ve linked to now and new-wiki-api that you`ve linked to in the initial post. Please use only one since it`s already quite confusing and hard to follow.

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I think my mistakes until now was the fact that I didn't want to

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too much from the wiki-descriptor module of Vincent. But now, I understand it is better to make something new.

Now, the API has a complete javadoc.

= Modularity = == Reduce responsibility ==

The first advantage of creating several modules is to reduce the responsibility of each module. I want one API to handle the wiki creation and basic management, one API for the template feature (which could be optional as soon as we have flavors),

This transition will most certainly require some considerable refactoring and possibly some method deprecating, for which we already have a strategy, at least for the workspaces UI.

Currently, the workspaces UI is a kind of a hack. WorkspaceManager.Install create a new template where we install a standard XAR UI + Workspace Template Feature (that overwrites some standard pages) + delete some pages that we don't need, etc... It forces us to ask the user to create workspacetemplate first, it does not work out of the box.

Neither does wiki manager work out of the box. The current technical limitations require that the user first creates a template wiki that is used in the creation of new wikis/workspaces.

Yes, and it is bad, IMO. Today, we have the Distribution Wizard which is launched the first time we go to the wiki. There is no reason to force having a template anymore.

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And we need to have 2 distinct XARs to handle the 2 use-cases: farm and workspaces. It is definitively not clean.

When talking with Vincent about this, we decided that it would be

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But again, this does not fix the "out-of-the-box" issue.

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It will just look at the wiki configuration to know if we have local users or not, what is the membership type of the wiki, etc...

The idea was that an admin could come with his own customized XAR that would then be "adapted" to be used as a workspace template, if the admin did not already do that. It was not desired that the user be limited to the standard XE xar, since that would have been rather easy to implement and automatically "install".

About the ability to create a template that is automatically "adapted" to be a workspace template, I have the feeling that there are more drawbacks than benefits: - it's too complex - it is useless for the majority of users - the wiki creation does not work out of the box - we have to write documentation about this... - If a user wants to create his own customized XAR, he can start from the default we provide

You also need to be aware that when this application (workspaces) was developed, it was to be developed as an addon. Even the minor and almost necessary "hacks" (read "IFs") that were added into platform for the top menus were frowned upon even to this date. Stating that the current implementation is not optimal when viewing this no longer as an added feature, but a basic and integrated feature is, basically, comparing apples to oranges. My only concern is that, whatever approach we chose, we preserve the ability of an admin to provide his own, customized, workspace template, either through a xar, a flavour or whatever, just as long as he still has the means to build it and deploy it (without having to publish it to a public extension repository, since it can be private stuff).

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So, I apologize to not having talk here about that. I think that we should, indeed, refactor a lot of things to have a very clean multiwiki feature in 5.3.

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Basically, you`d right now be using a

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$services.extension.install('someFlavourExtensionID', 'newWiki') to initialize the wiki with the content of a flavour extension. We`d probably also want to keep the option of importing the content from a XAR, so that might be a option too.

So this wikiTemplate service would probably contain some methods like: - create/convert (since the argument would probably be a wikiID to mark as template. The content of that wiki would have previously be initialized from an extension of from a XAR)

I have proposed setTemplate(boolean template);

Maybe setTemplate(String wikiID) as in, $services.wikiTemplate.setTemplate('someWiki')

...or even setTemplate(String wikiID, boolean isTemplate) to avoid having a second removeTemplate(String wikiID) method.

Yes, I like this one.

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again) - isTemplate (wikiID) - apply (as seen above, copy the content to an empty wiki)

I was thinking about createWikiFromTemplate() instead, but maybe it does not provide enough flexibility.

Didn`t you mention something earlier about separation of concerns? :)

I see the template feature as an helper for the creation of a wiki. We don't need template for anything else than the creation of a wiki. So it does not disturb me to have createWikiFromTemplate() (which internally call createWiki).

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WikiManager part would probably go in the main wiki's administration (for admins) and the WorkspacesUI part would be in the main wiki's WikiIndex (for users).

That is an interesting question. I did not think that much about the UI until now. I wanted to have a clean API first.

I propose, with Caty: * 1 UI which is the "Wiki Directory" that display only wikis that users can use

* 1 UI, in the administration, to manage templates only.

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some "copy" and "rename" methods for the WikiManager API, since they might operations that the user might want to perform without having to use templates or some other weird operations.

- Rename would be hard to implement (copy the wiki and delete it?)

No, just rename the database and the descriptor. Is there any limitation to that?

There is nothing in the XWikiStoreInterface to rename a database.

- DB2 does not support the database renaming: http://bytes.com/topic/db2/answers/185194-i-want-rename-table-schema - Derby neither: http://apache-database.10148.n7.nabble.com/Rename-Schema-td95708.html - Neither oracle:

http://asktom.oracle.com/pls/asktom/f?p=100:11:0::::P11_QUESTION_ID:30020192...

But it's OK for PostGreSQL, MySQL and HSQLDB.

So, if we want to rename the database from A to B, we can: - create the database B - import all the data from A into B - delete the database A.

We had the same problem with renaming documents. We did not take it into account in the initial API/model and then we had to fake it with a delete+remove. If we have to do the same for wikis, fine, but IMO we have to include these common sense operations or we will hit them in the future and we will be forced to do even dirtier things, or worse, leave the user to have to do them. Also, implementation would not be hard (we already do wiki copy and delete). We`d just need to be careful :)

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- What "copy a wiki" means? Should we copy the history of every pages too? Should we copy the recycle bin? I did not want to provide a copy feature because of these questions. The template feature actually does a copy operation but with its own opinion concerning this aspects : no history copied, no recycle bin.

1-to-1 copy of the source wiki. This means everything.

Sure, there might be some applications that use custom mapping and add some tables to the source database that might not be copied in the process. But, if we have no way of detecting and copying this data, I think it's not a bit problem. History and recycle bin are core notions of which we have full control so they should not be an issue.

Then we need an option to not copy history and recycle bin, because when you create a wiki from a template, you don't care about deleted documents and the history. Only the template creator needs them.

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I agree.

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We should *at least* include them in the API and implement them when time allows (and expose them in the UI when implemented). It would be a shame to have yet another half baked API.

Can we create an implementation with missing features?

We do things iteratively. I don`t see why we can`t apply that to implementations of an API, as long as we don`t have any UI using it, thus risking to crash. Thanks, Eduard

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Do you mean operations like: - join - leave - invite - acceptInvitation - cancelInvitation - getMembers - isMember - etc, all the stuff that it's now written as velocity code in the workspaces-ui pages?

If so, than this could be indeed a useful script service to lighten

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I think it's the only way to have a clean code, and will probably make it easier to have only 1 XAR for the 2 use-cases.

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The second advantage, is that I try to reduce the dependencies for each module. That means, if a module only needs the list of wikis (and a lot of modules needs it), they won't have plenty of dependencies.

For example, the extension manager needs the list of all wikis, but doesn't care about theirs users, the templates, etc... So it does not need to depend on the users module, etc...

== About WikiPropertiesGroup ==

The idea behind this new class is to easily add custom properties in the descriptor for new modules. Each module provides its own WikiPropertiesGroupProvider that load and save custom properties for the wiki. Then, it would be easy to get a property: wikiDescriptor.get("template").get("isTemplate") or (in velocity) $wikiDescriptor.template.isTemplate. But we can also create typed wrappers that access to theses properties.

Care to provide other (practical) examples of where such properties might be useful?

Imagine a new Activity Stream that needs to store information about each wiki, like "the main AS should index the events of this wiki" or "users of that wiki can send a message to main users", etc... Where AS should store this information? WikiPropertyGroup is good for that.

The membership type and the "enable local users" could be stored there too.

Ludo told me that clients would like to disable extension manager in (sub)wiki, or to restrict it to main admins only. If we decide to implement this, we could store the EM configuration in the property groups...

I think it is easy to implement and could be very useful for a lot of use-cases that we don't even imagine yet. In my opinion, having this flexibility can not be bad.

Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these WikiPropertyGroups being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the task of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before returning it to the caller.

You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the code, I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so it is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where applications might store and read information/properties **about** the wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of physically storing the value in the location where that group's properties are physically stored.

It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to wikis. It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re storing stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on.

Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but targeted on certain entities (wikis, users, etc)

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-...

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Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic solution.

WDYT?

I am going to look at it!

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FYI, I now use the new-wiki-api branch. https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api I will delete all the others. 2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

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Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these WikiPropertyGroups being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the task of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before returning it to the caller.

You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the code, I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so it is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where applications might store and read information/properties **about** the wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of physically storing the value in the location where that group's properties are physically stored.

It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to wikis. It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re storing stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on.

Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but targeted on certain entities (wikis, users, etc)

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-... ...however, what I don`t like about ConfigurationSource is that it is ReadOnly.

Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic solution.

WDYT?

I think it is a good idea. But I won't have the time to do it for 5.3. I want to continue on what I have already proposed, and we could still make a generic solution after.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

Hi. In the past, the UI was stored in the "WikiManager" and in the "WorkspaceManager" spaces. Since, I am creating a new UI containing the 2 use-cases, and since it will be integrated by default, I am creating the new UI in the "XWiki" space. Any objection? Thanks, Louis-Marie 2013/10/23 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

FYI,

I managed to make the new API work on my local build. Before fixing all style violations and writing a lot of tests, I want to modify the workspaces & wiki manager pages in order to have a clean UI.

You can already see how the API looks like there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

BTW, It currently breaks the workspaces application, because the new API remove the WorspaceManager.WorkspaceClass object from the server pages.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

FYI, I now use the new-wiki-api branch. https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api

I will delete all the others.

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

2013/10/11 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

...

Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these WikiPropertyGroups being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the task of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before returning it to the caller.

You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the code, I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so it is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where applications might store and read information/properties **about** the wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of physically storing the value in the location where that group's properties are physically stored.

It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to wikis. It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re storing stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on.

Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but targeted on certain entities (wikis, users, etc)

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-... ...however, what I don`t like about ConfigurationSource is that it is ReadOnly.

Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic solution.

WDYT?

I think it is a good idea. But I won't have the time to do it for 5.3. I want to continue on what I have already proposed, and we could still make a generic solution after.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

I would prefer a different space too. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

Hi.

In the past, the UI was stored in the "WikiManager" and in the "WorkspaceManager" spaces.

Since, I am creating a new UI containing the 2 use-cases, and since it will be integrated by default, I am creating the new UI in the "XWiki" space.

Any objection?

yes, the XWiki space should be avoided. Extensions should have their own spaces in general.

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/23 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

FYI,

I managed to make the new API work on my local build. Before fixing all style violations and writing a lot of tests, I want to modify the workspaces & wiki manager pages in order to have a clean UI.

You can already see how the API looks like there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

BTW, It currently breaks the workspaces application, because the new API remove the WorspaceManager.WorkspaceClass object from the server pages.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

FYI, I now use the new-wiki-api branch. https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api

I will delete all the others.

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

2013/10/11 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

...

Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these WikiPropertyGroups being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the task of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before returning it to the caller.

You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the code, I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so it is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where applications might store and read information/properties **about** the wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of physically storing the value in the location where that group's properties are physically stored.

It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to wikis. It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re storing stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on.

Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but targeted on certain entities (wikis, users, etc)

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-... ...however, what I don`t like about ConfigurationSource is that it is ReadOnly.

Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic solution.

WDYT?

I think it is a good idea. But I won't have the time to do it for 5.3. I want to continue on what I have already proposed, and we could still make a generic solution after.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

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On 30 Oct 2013, at 09:35, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

OK.

I have chosen WikiManager for the UI and WikiManagerCode for resources used by this UI.

I don’t understand why you’re using 2 spaces. Now that we have hidden docs we usually use only one space.

--

I want to share you some news.

I manage to transform the original Workspace UI to this new WikiManager UI. I think I will have something nice during this day.

cool :)

The only thing that I don't have now is the template feature. My plan is to do it as soon as I finish the UI aspect.

My plan is to make a pull request with the whole work by the beginning of the next week, to have all the new stuff included in 5.3M2.

Then, I will write a lot of unit and functional tests until the final release.

I had to take some decisions. I hope you will like my work but since it will be marked as @Unstable, we could still change things in 5.4!

The only problem is that this pull request will be huge. 127 files are modified. How should I send it? Several pull requests that each contains a small part?

WDYT?

Let’s start by seeing your changes first. You have a URL for that? Thanks -Vincent

Louis-Marie

2013/10/25 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com>

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I would prefer a different space too.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

...

On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <

gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

...

Hi.

In the past, the UI was stored in the "WikiManager" and in the "WorkspaceManager" spaces.

Since, I am creating a new UI containing the 2 use-cases, and since it

will

...

...

be integrated by default, I am creating the new UI in the "XWiki" space.

Any objection?

yes, the XWiki space should be avoided. Extensions should have their own spaces in general.

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/23 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

FYI,

I managed to make the new API work on my local build. Before fixing all style violations and writing a lot of tests, I want to modify the workspaces & wiki manager pages in order to have a clean UI.

You can already see how the API looks like there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

BTW, It currently breaks the workspaces application, because the new

API

...

remove the WorspaceManager.WorkspaceClass object from the server pages.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

FYI, I now use the new-wiki-api branch. https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api

I will delete all the others.

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

> 2013/10/11 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> > >> >> Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these >> WikiPropertyGroups >> being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the >> task >> of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in >> turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and >> populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before >> returning it >> to the caller. >> >> You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the >> code, >> I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so >> it >> is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be >> stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where >> applications might store and read information/properties **about** the >> wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a >> certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of >> physically storing the value in the location where that group's >> properties >> are physically stored. >> >> It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more >> productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to >> wikis. >> It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. >> Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, >> maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re >> storing >> stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in >> XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on. >> >> Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but >> targeted >> on certain entities (wikis, users, etc) >> >> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-... >> ...however, what I don`t like about ConfigurationSource is that it is >> ReadOnly. >> >> Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic >> solution. >> >> WDYT? >> > > I think it is a good idea. But I won't have the time to do it for 5.3. > I want to continue on what I have already proposed, and we could still > make a generic solution after. > > Thanks, > Louis-Marie

Hi, On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

OK.

I have chosen WikiManager for the UI and WikiManagerCode for resources used by this UI.

This only makes sense for an application that creates entities, like the Blog application does. It has the Blog space where it stores its entry page and where it puts its newly created entities (blog posts) and <should> also <have> a BlogCode space where it puts code related pages so that we don`t mix code with content too much. However, an application like WikiManager that does not create entities (well it does, but it adds them to the XWiki space so you don`t have to worry about that; Also, I`m not sure if we should change that right now) so you are good with just one space where you will store the application's code + entry page. Vincent mentioned hidden pages, but I guess the topic was more about mixing code with content in the same space. We should document these 2 scenarios (regarding application entity creation) in the application best practices page. Thanks, Eduard

--

I want to share you some news.

I manage to transform the original Workspace UI to this new WikiManager UI. I think I will have something nice during this day.

The only thing that I don't have now is the template feature. My plan is to do it as soon as I finish the UI aspect.

My plan is to make a pull request with the whole work by the beginning of the next week, to have all the new stuff included in 5.3M2.

Then, I will write a lot of unit and functional tests until the final release.

I had to take some decisions. I hope you will like my work but since it will be marked as @Unstable, we could still change things in 5.4!

The only problem is that this pull request will be huge. 127 files are modified. How should I send it? Several pull requests that each contains a small part?

WDYT?

Louis-Marie

2013/10/25 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com>

...

I would prefer a different space too.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

...

On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <

gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

...

Hi.

In the past, the UI was stored in the "WikiManager" and in the "WorkspaceManager" spaces.

Since, I am creating a new UI containing the 2 use-cases, and since it

will

...

...

be integrated by default, I am creating the new UI in the "XWiki" space.

Any objection?

yes, the XWiki space should be avoided. Extensions should have their own spaces in general.

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/23 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

FYI,

I managed to make the new API work on my local build. Before fixing all style violations and writing a lot of tests, I want to modify the workspaces & wiki manager pages in order to have a clean UI.

You can already see how the API looks like there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

...

...

...

BTW, It currently breaks the workspaces application, because the new

API

...

remove the WorspaceManager.WorkspaceClass object from the server pages.

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

...

FYI, I now use the new-wiki-api branch. https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api

I will delete all the others.

2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

> 2013/10/11 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> > >> >> Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these >> WikiPropertyGroups >> being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the >> task >> of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in >> turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and >> populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before >> returning it >> to the caller. >> >> You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the >> code, >> I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so >> it >> is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be >> stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where >> applications might store and read information/properties **about** the >> wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a >> certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of >> physically storing the value in the location where that group's >> properties >> are physically stored. >> >> It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more >> productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to >> wikis. >> It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. >> Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, >> maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re >> storing >> stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in >> XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on. >> >> Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but >> targeted >> on certain entities (wikis, users, etc) >> >>

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-...

...

...

...

...

...

>> ...however, what I don`t like about ConfigurationSource is that it is >> ReadOnly. >> >> Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic >> solution. >> >> WDYT? >> > > I think it is a good idea. But I won't have the time to do it for 5.3. > I want to continue on what I have already proposed, and we could still > make a generic solution after. > > Thanks, > Louis-Marie >

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Here a build if you want to test: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/wiki-api/xwiki-enterprise-jetty-hsqldb-5.3-SNAPSHO... I didn't have the time to test it a lot. If you like it, you can apply my pull request. If not, I hope the deadline will be postponed in order to do the final corrections or 5.3M2. Thanks, Louis-Marie 2013/11/4 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com>

Hi.

All the UI is now located in the WikiManager space now.

The pull request is here: https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/pull/191

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/11/1 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

...

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

OK.

I have chosen WikiManager for the UI and WikiManagerCode for resources used by this UI.

This only makes sense for an application that creates entities, like the Blog application does. It has the Blog space where it stores its entry page and where it puts its newly created entities (blog posts) and <should> also <have> a BlogCode space where it puts code related pages so that we don`t mix code with content too much.

However, an application like WikiManager that does not create entities (well it does, but it adds them to the XWiki space so you don`t have to worry about that; Also, I`m not sure if we should change that right now) so you are good with just one space where you will store the application's code + entry page.

Vincent mentioned hidden pages, but I guess the topic was more about mixing code with content in the same space. We should document these 2 scenarios (regarding application entity creation) in the application best practices page.

Thanks, Eduard

...

--

I want to share you some news.

I manage to transform the original Workspace UI to this new WikiManager

UI.

...

I think I will have something nice during this day.

The only thing that I don't have now is the template feature. My plan is to do it as soon as I finish the UI aspect.

My plan is to make a pull request with the whole work by the beginning of the next week, to have all the new stuff included in 5.3M2.

Then, I will write a lot of unit and functional tests until the final release.

I had to take some decisions. I hope you will like my work but since it will be marked as @Unstable, we could still change things in 5.4!

The only problem is that this pull request will be huge. 127 files are modified. How should I send it? Several pull requests that each contains a small part?

WDYT?

Louis-Marie

2013/10/25 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com>

...

I would prefer a different space too.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:

...

On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <

gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

...

...

Hi.

In the past, the UI was stored in the "WikiManager" and in the "WorkspaceManager" spaces.

Since, I am creating a new UI containing the 2 use-cases, and

since it will

...

...

be integrated by default, I am creating the new UI in the "XWiki" space.

Any objection?

yes, the XWiki space should be avoided. Extensions should have their own spaces in general.

Thanks -Vincent

...

Thanks, Louis-Marie

2013/10/23 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau@xwiki.com

...

...

...

> FYI, > > I managed to make the new API work on my local build. Before

fixing all

...

> style violations and writing a lot of tests, I want to modify the > workspaces & wiki manager pages in order to have a clean UI. > > You can already see how the API looks like there: > >

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

...

...

...

...

> > BTW, It currently breaks the workspaces application, because the new API > remove the WorspaceManager.WorkspaceClass object from the server pages. > > Thanks, > Louis-Marie > > > 2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> > >> FYI, I now use the new-wiki-api branch. >> https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api >> >> I will delete all the others. >> >> >> 2013/10/21 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> >> >>> 2013/10/11 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> Technical note: Looking at the code, I can`t see these >>>> WikiPropertyGroups >>>> being handled anywhere. I imagine that you would have to delegate the >>>> task >>>> of creating WikiDescriptor instances to the WikiManager which will, in >>>> turn, be in charge of querying all the WikiPropertyGroupProviders and >>>> populating the new WikiDescriptor with these properties before >>>> returning it >>>> to the caller. >>>> >>>> You speak of WikiPropertyGroup as a storage location. However, in the >>>> code, >>>> I see that each provider is supposed to save the properties itself, so >>>> it >>>> is in charge of picking a physical location for these properties to be >>>> stored. The WikiDescriptor would only be a logical location where >>>> applications might store and read information/properties **about** the >>>> wiki. When an application would store a new property for a wiki in a >>>> certain property group, that group's provider will be in charge of >>>> physically storing the value in the location where that group's >>>> properties >>>> are physically stored. >>>> >>>> It would be an interesting idea, but I find that it would be much more >>>> productive as a generic service of its own and not just limited to >>>> wikis. >>>> It is easy to imagine the need for such a service in the case of users. >>>> Applications might want to store/query properties for the current user, >>>> maybe for the current space and so on. For users, right now we`re >>>> storing >>>> stuff in the user profile. For wikis, we`d probably store it in >>>> XWikiPreferences, SpacePreferences for spaces and so on. >>>> >>>> Maybe something a bit like what we do with ConfiguratinSource, but >>>> targeted >>>> on certain entities (wikis, users, etc) >>>> >>>>

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki-...

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>>>> ...however, what I don`t like about ConfigurationSource is that it is >>>> ReadOnly. >>>> >>>> Would be a shame to spend the effort and not to make it a generic >>>> solution. >>>> >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>> >>> I think it is a good idea. But I won't have the time to do it for 5.3. >>> I want to continue on what I have already proposed, and we could still >>> make a generic solution after. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Louis-Marie >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Hi, On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi Eddy.

First, thanks for your answer.

2013/10/7 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002@gmail.com>

...

Hi Guilllaume,

1) What is the point of the WikiDescriptorAlias class if it just holds and returns a string?

...

Also, the only method in the WikiDescriptorManager that works with aliases accepts a String instead of the WikiDescriptorAlias class, so this means that the class is useless:

WikiDescriptor getByWikiAlias(String wikiAlias) throws WikiManagerException;

I did not really think about it, I just take the work done by Vincent on wiki descriptors.

...

2) WikiManager:

The methods wikiIdExists and and isWikiIdAvailable do the same thing, they just call it differently. Use only one, like wikiExists().

I should have added the javadoc about that. This is what I have in mind : - wikiExists(String wikiOd) as you said - wikiAvailable(String wikiId) that checks if the wiki id is valid and free (that means that there is no existing database with that name -- not necessary related to XWiki).

It is not implemented yet.

...

Also, since it's a WikiManager, so the "wiki" part is in the name of the class, we get it that it deals with wikis. You could remove the "wiki"

part

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from method names, like: - create instead of createWiki - delete instead of deleteWiki - exists instead of existsWiki - so on...

I agree. I'll change it ;)

...

Note on the naming of methods: I`ve noticed a rather annoying thing in the way the methods are named. So you have a class that is say... WikiDescriptor.

Indeed, but a Wiki class would not contain something else than a descriptor. I don't know what to do. Renaming WikiDescriptor to Wiki?

Scratch this note. I did some rephrasing and forgot to remove it. I noticed you`ve already made the change (as you`ve understood it), but I`m not sure it's the best thing to do.

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3) WikiManager:

What is the point of these 2 methods?

void setDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

void removeDescriptor(WikiDescriptor descriptor);

Looking at the implementation, I see that you`re handling descriptors (setting/deleting) whithout corelating it to the wikis. I mean, if you remove a descriptor, then you must remove the wiki too, and that is the task of the WikiManager.delete() method.

I have keeped them because it is used in the descriptors implementation of Vincent. But I agree that it is weird to have it in the API.

...

4) Don`t use implementation details. Improve the interface (API) if there is information you`re missing:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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I disagree. In this code, I need to have the document related to the descriptor. It depends on the current implementation, because we can imagine an implementation where the descriptors are not stored in the wiki. So I won't add a getDocument() in the API, but I need it in my implementation.

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5) DefaultWikiManager.createDescritptor Since you have a WikiDescriptorBuilder class, maybe that is where the

logic

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of creating/building the descriptor's details (objects, document) and where the logic of extracting the document name from wiki name and viceversa should be located.

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/blob/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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I agree, I will move that code into WikiDescriptorBuilder.

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6) DefaultWikiManager.getByWikiId Again seeing the logic of wikiID-to-document. It should be located in a single place and not spread in multiple places. Use a method of the WikiManager class or of the DescriptorBuilder class.

OK.

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7) WikiManagerScriptService: - deleteWiki: Why do you need Admin right to delete a wiki when you did

not

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need it in order to create it? That`s bad. We should probably have a deleteWiki right as well.

It is a temporary solution in my implementation. The problem is: who has the right to remove a wiki ? - his owner? But we don't have the notion of owner in this API. It belongs to the wiki-users module to handle this concept. - someone who has the CREATE_WIKI right? That means every person who has the CREATE_WIKI right can also delete any existing wiki? - someone who as the DELETE_WIKI right? Why not, but we need to make a vote for adding this new right.

So, in my first implementation, I have used the admin right.

Try not to shoot yourself in the leg with this over-zelous separation of concerns :). In our previous implementation, owners can delete their own wikis or top level admins (admins on the main wiki). To this, we could add the deleteWiki right that you`ve mentioned, but, at first, we should stick to what we had (owners + top admins). All this information (owner, homepage, etc) should be reflected by the descriptor.

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Also, consider the workspaces use case when user create and delete wikis/workspaces when they want to and when they are done with them.

To me, it belongs to the future wiki-user module.

Why? What exactly do you plan to include in such a module?

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- context key for exceptions "lastexception2" is not the best of choices. Try something like "wikiException" instead, or even just "lastexception" like it was before (if we consider this as a best practice). What's the reason for "lastexception2"?

It's a bad commit. I have setted this name for debugging reason.

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As a general note, I fail to see the added value of this module at this point. I mean, the whole point was to have both the functionality of WikiManager and Workspaces. I get it that it's a work in progress and

that

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it's at the first stages, but you need to touch those points before it becomes relevant. Not that it's bad, just that it's not much there to see at this point.

The idea is to split in different simple modules, that enable us to easily add a new feature or to depends on a module without depending on the whole core. I try to reduce the dependencies while I design the modules.

As Vincent mentioned, in order for these modules to make sense, they would have to be optional. However, the distribution will come with all of them bundled and they will still be loaded and present. As mentioned above, care to elaborate more on this plan that you have? Thanks, Eduard

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Hope this helps, Eduard

Thanks Eduard!

Louis-Marie

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau@xwiki.com> wrote:

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Hi.

In this thread, I want to propose you the tiniest API that we need to handle multiwiki. All other features (users, templates, workspaces...) will be on other modules, because I think it is better for the

extensibility.

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The new module will be based on the xwiki-platform-wiki-descriptor-api module, that I will rename to xwiki-platform-wiki-api. The WikiDescriptorManager becomes WikiManager and handle both descriptors

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databases.

This API will permit: * to create a wiki * to remove a wiki * to list all wikis (returning a list of descriptors) * ...

You can see the code of that proposal there:

https://github.com/gdelhumeau/xwiki-platform/tree/new-wiki-api/xwiki-platfor...

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The most important is to decide what the API must look like. The implementation can still be modified afterwards.

I hope you like it,

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