[xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Servlet Container support strategy
Hi devs, Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers. I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support. For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files. So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc. For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort. WDYT? Thanks -Vincent
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
At least this list would make official what is the current situation which is not bad.
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
-- Thomas Mortagne
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
At least this list would make official what is the current situation which is not bad.
Well actually it's not 100% true for Jetty either. We do test a lot an very customized version of Jetty (compared to the setup you get by default when you download Jetty) plus I had issues last time I tried to upgrade the version of Jetty (see https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15155).
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
-- Thomas Mortagne
-- Thomas Mortagne
On 21 Aug 2018, at 16:25, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
At least this list would make official what is the current situation which is not bad.
Well actually it's not 100% true for Jetty either. We do test a lot an very customized version of Jetty (compared to the setup you get by default when you download Jetty) plus I had issues last time I tried to upgrade the version of Jetty (see https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15155).
Yes, but we could support Jetty OOB too. Would be good IMO. Thanks -Vincent
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
-- Thomas Mortagne
-- Thomas Mortagne
+1 for such a page. We also need to align this with our installation documentation. Thanks, Caty On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 5:33 PM Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 21 Aug 2018, at 16:25, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
At least this list would make official what is the current situation which is not bad.
Well actually it's not 100% true for Jetty either. We do test a lot an very customized version of Jetty (compared to the setup you get by default when you download Jetty) plus I had issues last time I tried to upgrade the version of Jetty (see https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15155).
Yes, but we could support Jetty OOB too. Would be good IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular
too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
-- Thomas Mortagne
-- Thomas Mortagne
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 21 Aug 2018, at 16:25, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
At least this list would make official what is the current situation which is not bad.
Well actually it's not 100% true for Jetty either. We do test a lot an very customized version of Jetty (compared to the setup you get by default when you download Jetty) plus I had issues last time I tried to upgrade the version of Jetty (see https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15155).
Yes, but we could support Jetty OOB too. Would be good IMO.
Sure, all I'm saying is that we don't do for Jetty what we do for Tomcat right now contrary to what I said in my first answer.
Thanks -Vincent
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
-- Thomas Mortagne
-- Thomas Mortagne
-- Thomas Mortagne
+1 to add the page. On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
@All: ok I’m preparing the page. @Ilie, Gabriela: Please note that this means that in the Release Notes, starting with XWiki 10.7, we also need to indicate what Servlet Containers were tested, in addition to Browsers and Databases. Thanks -Vincent
On 21 Aug 2018, at 16:00, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
Hi, Ok here’s the first basic version of the page: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ServletContainerSupportStrate... Please check it out. If someone has the itch it would be nice to provide icons for the various servlet containers as we do for browsers and DBs ;) Thanks -Vincent
On 24 Aug 2018, at 14:03, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
@All: ok I’m preparing the page.
@Ilie, Gabriela:
Please note that this means that in the Release Notes, starting with XWiki 10.7, we also need to indicate what Servlet Containers were tested, in addition to Browsers and Databases.
Thanks -Vincent
On 21 Aug 2018, at 16:00, Vincent Massol <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Right now we have: * Supported browsers: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy * Supported DBs: https://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DatabaseSupportStrategy
But we don’t have a list of supported Servlet Containers.
I think the reason is that we considered that XWiki would work on all of them. While this is true, in practice it means testing and finding the right configuration for XWiki to work on the various contrainers. Thus it requires time and testing, thus support.
For example right now lots of users have trouble making XWiki work on Wildfly or Glassfish. In the past I had worked on those and documented how to make XWiki work on them but new version have come up and XWiki has changed too and seems work is needed to document. I also added some jboss-reated config files in our distribution to make it easy and work OOB for JBoss. We might need to do that for other containers or udpate those files.
So IMO we should list a subset of Servlet Containers that we official support (ie. that we actively tests and update documentation, fix code when needed). Same as for DBs and browsers, the community is welcome to provide support for more ofc.
For me the supported list should be for now: * Jetty * Tomcat
I’m hesitating with Wildfly and Glassfish since they’re quite popular too. It would be nice to have them but I don’t think we have the manpower ATM so I would leave them to the community for now, as a best effort.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) -
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Vincent Massol