[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Add a new JIRA project for ideas
Hi devs, Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas. Of course we could also have installed the Idea app (http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway. So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing. This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from. Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves. WDYT? Thanks -Vincent
+1 On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:02 AM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app (http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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+1 Thanks, Marius On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:02 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO. Thanks -Vincent On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app (http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff. On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app (http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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-0 I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students. For example this query https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%... will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects. For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc. Thanks, Caty On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com
wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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Hi Caty, I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :) The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore. Thanks -Vincent On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%... will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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Well why doesn't belong anymore? You could just mark it as "Idea". Thanks, Caty On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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This Other component that exists kind of already doing what you want? http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI/component/10161 Thanks, Caty On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac@gmail.com> wrote:
Well why doesn't belong anymore? You could just mark it as "Idea".
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:45:26, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Well why doesn't belong anymore? You could just mark it as "Idea”.
It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of the xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the issue). So why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know it won’t? Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net (vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi devs,
Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas.
Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway.
So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing.
This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from.
Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
So is this project will contain just Ideas that we can't put somewhere else? Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported in the appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project. And if we will report only core stuff, than I see no improvements from a project versus an issue type (+ an Other component). On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:45:26, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Well why doesn't belong anymore? You could just mark it as "Idea”.
It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of the xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the issue). So why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know it won’t?
If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time we managed to implement the important things. For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so already we are splitting ideas in multiple places. Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net ( vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
> Hi devs, > > Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas. > > Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway. > > So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing. > > This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from. > > Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves. > > WDYT? > > Thanks > -Vincent
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Yes it's typically new extensions ideas. On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac@gmail.com> wrote:
So is this project will contain just Ideas that we can't put somewhere else?
Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported in the appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project. And if we will report only core stuff, than I see no improvements from a project versus an issue type (+ an Other component).
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:45:26, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Well why doesn't belong anymore? You could just mark it as "Idea”.
It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of the xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the issue). So why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know it won’t?
If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time we managed to implement the important things.
For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so already we are splitting ideas in multiple places.
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote: > I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net ( vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote: > >> Hi devs, >> >> Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas. >> >> Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway. >> >> So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing. >> >> This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from. >> >> Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves. >> >> WDYT? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent
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On 14 Jan 2016 at 15:01:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
So is this project will contain just Ideas that we can't put somewhere else?
yes
Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported in the appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project.
when they exist yes, I agree [snip]
It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of the xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the issue). So why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know it won’t?
If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time we managed to implement the important things.
For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so already we are splitting ideas in multiple places.
Yes design.xwiki.org was previously a space called Ideas on dev.xwiki.org but since it’s been moved and renamed it’s no longer about ideas but about designs (ie the next step, once you start working on an idea). One alternative I thought about was to reuse the existing JIRA Contrib project for letting users add new ideas (note that we’re going in the direction of trying to remove it by having each contrib project have its own jira but we could keep the Contrib JIRA project with a single issue type of type Idea). However I feel that a top level IDEA project named “Ideas” would be simpler for users to find and report into. It would be our job (our = the xwiki community) to then move those jiras to existing projects (when they exist). At the same time if we keep the “Idea” issue type in existing projects, maybe users will wonder why the 2 places. So to sum up we have the following options (for all those options we keep the Idea issue type in existing jira projects): A) Do nothing. Just close the issue as won’t fix as I’ve done for http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature) B) Create a top level JIRA project called Ideas, as explained above. And move XWIKI-1103 to it. C) Reuse the Contrib jira project for that (as explained above too). And move XWIKI-1103 to it. D) Use http://design.xwiki.org for ideas too. Note that on that site we currently ask users to create a jira issue, after they discuss it on the list. E) Use another wiki page on xwiki.org called Ideas where we ask users to edit and add their ideas. F) Use the Ideas Application on xwiki.org For D), E) and F) when a dev starts working on the idea he’d create the associated jira issue. What do you prefer? Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net wrote: > I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in the XWIKI jira project IMO. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net ( vincent@massol.net (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote: > >> Hi devs, >> >> Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people to propose ideas. >> >> Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira anyway. >> >> So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and to document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing. >> >> This will also allow us to move issues such as http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from. >> >> Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves. >> >> WDYT? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent
+1 for B) On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2016 at 15:01:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
So is this project will contain just Ideas that we can't put somewhere else?
yes
Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported in the appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project.
when they exist yes, I agree
[snip]
It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of the xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the issue). So why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know it won’t?
If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time we managed to implement the important things.
For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so already we are splitting ideas in multiple places.
Yes design.xwiki.org was previously a space called Ideas on dev.xwiki.org but since it’s been moved and renamed it’s no longer about ideas but about designs (ie the next step, once you start working on an idea).
One alternative I thought about was to reuse the existing JIRA Contrib project for letting users add new ideas (note that we’re going in the direction of trying to remove it by having each contrib project have its own jira but we could keep the Contrib JIRA project with a single issue type of type Idea).
However I feel that a top level IDEA project named “Ideas” would be simpler for users to find and report into. It would be our job (our = the xwiki community) to then move those jiras to existing projects (when they exist).
At the same time if we keep the “Idea” issue type in existing projects, maybe users will wonder why the 2 places.
So to sum up we have the following options (for all those options we keep the Idea issue type in existing jira projects):
A) Do nothing. Just close the issue as won’t fix as I’ve done for http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature)
It's a pity to close things like this. Having a place to find ideas of things to contribute to XWiki would be great.
B) Create a top level JIRA project called Ideas, as explained above. And move XWIKI-1103 to it.
This is my preference by far.
C) Reuse the Contrib jira project for that (as explained above too). And move XWIKI-1103 to it.
"Ideas" named project is much more explicit plus ideas would be messed with various dead contrib extension issues. We need to empty this Contrib project and get rid of it.
D) Use http://design.xwiki.org for ideas too. Note that on that site we currently ask users to create a jira issue, after they discuss it on the list.
IMO design.xwiki.org is not here to suggest ideas but it's the next step. When you start having more details about how the idea should look like and be implemented.
E) Use another wiki page on xwiki.org called Ideas where we ask users to edit and add their ideas.
-1, too painfull
F) Use the Ideas Application on xwiki.org
Ideas application is nice but I feel that those ideas will end up in jira eventually anyway and jira is THE place to report stuff (stuff that dn't work, stuff you would like to see implemented, etc.).
For D), E) and F) when a dev starts working on the idea he’d create the associated jira issue.
What do you prefer?
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not to list all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
-0
I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New feature' like in the example you gave http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103
If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference them to contributors and students.
For example this query
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects.
For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, etc.) 13 on Rendering 7 on Enterprise 5 on Commons 2 on Infrastructure
The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new project, create new components, etc.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote:
> I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira > project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff. > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net > wrote: > > I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in > the XWIKI jira project IMO. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net ( vincent@massol.net > (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote: > > > >> Hi devs, > >> > >> Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain > only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside > (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each > project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people > to propose ideas. > >> > >> Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org > but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira > anyway. > >> > >> So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and > to document it on > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing. > >> > >> This will also allow us to move issues such as > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are > currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as > a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from. > >> > >> Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move > it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves. > >> > >> WDYT? > >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent
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+1 for B Thanks, Marius On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com> wrote:
+1 for B)
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, vincent@massol.net <vincent@massol.net> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2016 at 15:01:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com
(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
So is this project will contain just Ideas that we can't put somewhere else?
yes
Since I believe is better to have ideas for Forum Application reported
in
the appropriate project (XAFORUM) and not in the generic Ideas project.
when they exist yes, I agree
[snip]
It’ll never be implemented there because we decided that the repos of the xwiki github org are for core stuff only (see my comment on the issue). So why mislead people into thinking it might be implemented when we know it won’t?
If we know we won't implement them we can close them, although in time we managed to implement the important things.
For the record the design.xwiki.org app has an Idea status too so already we are splitting ideas in multiple places.
Yes design.xwiki.org was previously a space called Ideas on dev.xwiki.org but since it’s been moved and renamed it’s no longer about ideas but about designs (ie the next step, once you start working on an idea).
One alternative I thought about was to reuse the existing JIRA Contrib project for letting users add new ideas (note that we’re going in the direction of trying to remove it by having each contrib project have its own jira but we could keep the Contrib JIRA project with a single issue type of type Idea).
However I feel that a top level IDEA project named “Ideas” would be simpler for users to find and report into. It would be our job (our = the xwiki community) to then move those jiras to existing projects (when they exist).
At the same time if we keep the “Idea” issue type in existing projects, maybe users will wonder why the 2 places.
So to sum up we have the following options (for all those options we keep the Idea issue type in existing jira projects):
A) Do nothing. Just close the issue as won’t fix as I’ve done for http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature)
It's a pity to close things like this. Having a place to find ideas of things to contribute to XWiki would be great.
B) Create a top level JIRA project called Ideas, as explained above. And move XWIKI-1103 to it.
This is my preference by far.
C) Reuse the Contrib jira project for that (as explained above too). And move XWIKI-1103 to it.
"Ideas" named project is much more explicit plus ideas would be messed with various dead contrib extension issues. We need to empty this Contrib project and get rid of it.
D) Use http://design.xwiki.org for ideas too. Note that on that site we currently ask users to create a jira issue, after they discuss it on the list.
IMO design.xwiki.org is not here to suggest ideas but it's the next step. When you start having more details about how the idea should look like and be implemented.
E) Use another wiki page on xwiki.org called Ideas where we ask users to edit and add their ideas.
-1, too painfull
F) Use the Ideas Application on xwiki.org
Ideas application is nice but I feel that those ideas will end up in jira eventually anyway and jira is THE place to report stuff (stuff that dn't work, stuff you would like to see implemented, etc.).
For D), E) and F) when a dev starts working on the idea he’d create the
associated jira issue.
What do you prefer?
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, vincent@massol.net wrote:
Hi Caty,
I have probably not expressed myself correctly. The goal is not
to list
all Ideas :)
The goal is that we need to separate stuff that is platform from stuff that is NOT platform. Regarding XWIKI-1103 for example, I’ve closed it but it’s a pity because 1) it’s not done and 2) it’s a good idea. It just doesn’t belong in the XWIKI JIRA project anymore.
Thanks -Vincent
On 14 Jan 2016 at 14:39:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ( valicac@gmail.com (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
> -0 > > I think we should just mark correctly issues with 'Idea' instead of 'New > feature' like in the example you gave > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 > > If they are marked correctly then you can easily make a query and reference > them to contributors and students. > > For example this query >
https://jira.xwiki.org/issues/?jql=issuetype%20%3D%20Idea%20AND%20status%20%...
> will list all the open ideas in the Top Level Projects. > > For example: from the 110 issues opened, there are: > 83 on Platform (13 on Templates, 5 on Model, 4 on Rendering, 4 on Flamingo, > etc.) > 13 on Rendering > 7 on Enterprise > 5 on Commons > 2 on Infrastructure > > The advantage is that the components and projects are marked correctly and > we already did this job and we don't have to move them all in the new > project, create new components, etc. > > Thanks, > Caty > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > wrote: > > > I'm not sure about that, it's still OK to have idea in XWIKI jira > > project as long as the idea is specifically about core stuff. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM, vincent@massol.net > > wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that this means removing the “Idea” issue type in > > the XWIKI jira project IMO. > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2016 at 11:02:44, vincent@massol.net ( vincent@massol.net > > (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote: > > > > > >> Hi devs, > > >> > > >> Since we’ve decided that the xwiki github organization will contain > > only core extensions and that we want to move non-core extensions outside > > (most likely to the contrib github organization), and since in contrib each > > project has its own jira project, I think we need a jira project for people > > to propose ideas. > > >> > > >> Of course we could also have installed the Idea app ( > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Ideas) on xwiki.org > > but since we manager our issues with JIRA we’d have to copy them to jira > > anyway. > > >> > > >> So my proposal is to create a top level JIRA project called “Ideas” and > > to document it on > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing. > > >> > > >> This will also allow us to move issues such as > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-1103 (Bookmarks feature), which are > > currently in the XWIKI JIRA project to the Ideas project and can be used as > > a place where contributors or GSOC students can get ideas from. > > >> > > >> Of course if someone suggest an idea that is something core, we’d move > > it to the XWIKI Jira project ourselves. > > >> > > >> WDYT? > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> -Vincent
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